John Newill

[fishergate]

I am searching for the parents of John Newill born c. 1771  'out of the county' in the 1841 census.
In his Marriage Bond to Elizabeth Hekin (Ekin) 1798 he is described as a tailor and married at Guilsfield. He does not appear on the Shropshire records. Were there any boundary changes which could place him in Radnorshire or elsewhere ?

[Raphael]

I am searching for the parents of John Newill born c. 1771  'out of the county' in the 1841 census.
In his Marriage Bond to Elizabeth Hekin (Ekin) 1798 he is described as a tailor and married at Guilsfield. He does not appear on the Shropshire records. Were there any boundary changes which could place him in Radnorshire or elsewhere ?

Hello , There appears to be a Guilsfield here, which may bare some relevence
http://www.guilsfield.net/index.html

Unless there are more than one, read the post and see what you think....no doubt after I have posted this others will come up with suggestion...they usually do LOL The two main towns near this one are in the post may be of interest
Regards
Raphael
UK & Germany

[fishergate]

Thank you for your reply, Raphael. I was wondering whether John Newill was born around  Presteigne and whether it was in Radnorshire in the 1770's. He moved to Welshpool at some point and married in Guilsfield.

[david64]

I'm no expert, but I'd say Guildfield has always been in Montgomeryshire.

If you've not got his death cert. It appears he died in 1846:

http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/certapp.php?type=deaths&data=NEWILL|John|Welshpool|Powys%20-%20Llandrindod%20Wells|1846|1846||DA%3aPOOL%2f04%2f30|N|407|northwales|DD|-&lang=

That should at least give you a better DOB rage; as you may know the 1841 census rounded ages to the nearest 5 for those over the age of 15 years.

John's Will is also online here:

http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?sessionid=2010012614312522034&skin=profeb&lng=en&inst=consortium&function=EXTERNAL_CONTENT&externalurltype=856u&externalurl=http%3a%2f%2fdams.llgc.org.uk%2fintegration%2fbehaviour%2fllgc-id%3a261458%2ffedora-bdef%3azoom%2fllgc-id%3a261457%2f81.155.75.88%2fen

It mentions him as a "gentleman" and one of his sons are in Salop. Also mentions your Beatties.

If he is a gent. he may be listed in some landed gentry or commoners pedigree publication or on some scraps at Mont. Archives or in some sort of manorial records. Again finding the headstone, if there is one, would be a good idea. Is possible it could say where he came from. The Mont. Gen. Soc. should be able to help with that for a fee if you aren't local.

This might have something in:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6jMwAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_v2_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=&f=false

This guy might be worth looking at:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p33692.htm#i336913

Lived in Shrops. too and Newill is a northen name. There are some Newills in the graveyard at Wellington. I'd look at the PRs for Wellington. Also:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/subjectView.asp?ID=B8366
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/results.aspx?tab=2&Page=1&ContainAllWords=Newill&Places=Shropshire
http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I106657&tree=Nixon

Historic Spots. No. 1. Bwlch-y-Pawl. By THOMAS NEWILL.
Miscellanea Histories, or Public Officers of Montgomeryshire. By the Eev.

http://www.archiveswales.org.uk/anw/get_collection.php?inst_id=1&coll_id=78052&expand=

[david64]

Thomas Newill of the White House, Berriew, eldest son of Thomas Newell, Esq. of Spring Bank, Welshpool to Miss Brumwell of Sutton, Mont.

- North Wales Chronicle (Bangor, Wales), Friday, February 11, 1853

Newill at Welshpool Illuminati lodge No. 998

There is an obit. for Thomas Newell in the North Wales Chronicle (Bangor, Wales), Saturday, May 23, 1891

says he was an agent for Powis Castle for 50 yeras - The Herbert Family, of Clive of India. So maybe some records there. He was born c. 1805.

If this is your family there should be some records somewhere. Serrious digging will be required though.

[fishergate]

Thank you David,
You have given me a lot of links to pursue. Thomas Newill 1805 was a son of John Newill and Elizabeth Ikin. John Newill was a tailor and I am also searching for apprenticeship records as he probably travelled away from his home county as a journeyman. There is a John Newill born in Liverpool in 1771 to a Samuel Newill but I'm not sure as the family names do not fit

[amberly]

John & Elizabeth Newill were my gt x4 grandparents.  I have an enormous amount of info on the family & would be happy to share off line.  How are you related to them? Amberly

[fountaintower]

I too have a lot of info on the Newels, whose name became Newill (and it's correct about Shropshire).  John was born in 1770 in Llanwnog to Richard Newel and Catherine Howel(l).  I had been looking for about 5 years for his brother, my 3rd g-grandfather, and have opened up a whole branch of the family tree.

[fishergate]

I was interested in your information on John Newill being born to Richard and Catherine Howell.
I had been looking at a John Newill born 1771 in Warwickshire but I would be interested to follow your lead.
Regards
Fishergate