Sarah Bellis b. circa 1830, Breton

[BrianM64]

Hi, I have just seen the entry in the Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921  for Aaron Maddocks, supposedly dated 1843.  Aaron's entry in the book is on page 51 of 54.  The first page of the book is headed "The Year ...1843".  Page 50 is dated 1851. Looking through the book, it seems they only put the year heading at the start of each year.  Ancestry, in the absense of a year entry on page 51, have taken the first entry in the book  (1843) as the entry for the record when the date for the entry should be 1851.

[BrianM64]

Just to muddy the waters a bit, I've just found an entry in Liverpool Baptisms, for 15 Aug 1902, for a Mary Maddocks born 25 July 1858, parents names Aaron and Mary (although the transcript says mother's name is May).  What do you think?  Could this Mary be a daughter of Aaron and Sarah?  Is it possible that Mary has muddled the mother's names up, or simply didn't know her Mother's name?  Or is this a different Aaron and Mary altogether?

[JeannieR]

Doktafosta....

I think it quite likely, that this is a daughter of Aaron and Sarah, and probably got baptised, later in life, or perhaps before she married

I also think that Aaron and Sarah had a son, also Aaron , about 1851, but his birth was not registered that I can see, and the family do not appear on the 1861 census, that I can see.....

JeannieR

PS Aaron Maddocks snr, was born 29th February 1808, and baptised 4th October of that year. His father was Aaron, and his mother was Elizabeth Reynolds

[BrianM64]

Hi JeannieR,

The Aaron of circa 1851 is my Great Grandfather and, depending which Census you believe, he was either born in Bretton, Wales, or Kinnerton, Cheshire. I have found him in 1871, as a farm hand in Wervin, Cheshire, where he states his as 17.  If this Mary is his sister, it would be a breakthrough as I have been unable, so far, to trace any siblings.  This getting baptised later in life must be a family thing as I wasn't baptised 'till I was 28 but 44 beats me hands down!  Thank you Jeannie for your info and thank you to Ancestry for publishing the Liverpool Parish Records.  Let's hope it's not too long before more areas are published.

[JeannieR]

Hi Again.....

I think your Aaron, had two sisters !

I looked to see who the Mary, Baptised in 1902, "belonged" to and came up with this

1861 census

16 Grey Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool

Sarah Reynolds / head / age 70 / Landed Proprietor / born Bretton, Flintshire
Elizabeth MADDOCKS / niece / age 7 / scholar /  Born Bretton, Flintshire

1871 Same address

Sarah Reynolds
Elizabeth Maddocks / niece
MARY MADDOCKS / niece / age 12 / born Bretton

The girls are still with their aunt in 1881 at the same address

Sarah Maddock was Aaron's older sister, baptised 17th October 1790

she married JOSEPH REYNOLDS at Liverpool St Thomas , 22nd March 1827. Witnesses were
Elizabeth Maddocks , baptised March 11th 1803, and John Reynolds

Aaron snr, Sarah , Aaron jnr and  young Mary , are proving very difficult to find in 1861 though

Hope this helps

JeannieR

PS I have most of the Parish Registers for Hawarden, if you need anymore info.

[JamesDMcBust]

Hi JeannieR

You say that Aaron (1851)'s parents were Aaron Maddocks and Elizabeth Reynolds and then you say that Aaron (1808) had an older sister Sarah (Maddocks) who married a Joseph Reynolds in 1827.  Could it be that Joseph was related to his mother-in-law?     James

[JeannieR]

Hello James....

Sorry if I confused you.

Aaron Maddocks  , baptised 29th of February 1808, at Hawarden, Father also Aaron , Farmer, abode Bretton , Mother Elizabeth , nee Reynolds. Had two elder sisters SARAH, baptised  Oct 17th 1790, and Elizabeth, baptised March 11 1803......

Aaron ( 1808 ) married , Mary Bellis in 1847, and Sarah Bellis in 1851.

Sarah Bellis (1790) married a Joseph Reynolds in 1827 at Liverpool in 1827, and it is this lady, who appears to be looking after Aaron Maddocks and Sarah nee Bellis  daughters in 1861/ 1871/ 1881/ She died , age 93 in 1883 at West Derby.

JeannieR

[BrianM64]

Hi everyone. Just going back to the Aaron Maddocks (1808) marriages of the sisters Mary and Sarah Bellis for a moment, I have just been made aware of the fact that it was specifically forbidden for a man to marry his deceased wife's sister until 1907 when the "Deceased Wife's Sister's Marriage act" of that year.  Naughty ancesters!!

[BrianM64]

Parish records for St Mary's Broughton, Harwarden.

Baptism:

Baptised 13 June 1848
Born 6 June 1848
Aaron Maddocks, son of

Aaron Maddocks (swineherd) and
Mary Bellis

Abode: Bretton

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Burial:

22 September 1848, aged 3 months and 13 days

Aaron Maddocks, son of

Aaron Maddocks (swineherd) and
Mary Bellis

Abode: Bretton.

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Baptism:

13 April 1852

Aaron Maddocks,
born 8 April 1852, son of:

Aaron Maddocks (swineherd) and
Sarah Bellis
(Illegally married)

Abode: Bretton