1891 & 1901 census lookup please (completed - thanks!)

[pd]

Hi
I'm looking or William Henry Taylor born 1883.
He married Lilian Garret in 1913 in Bridgend.

Name & surname:  William Henry Taylor
Aged: 30 years
Condition:  Bachelor
Rank or Profession:  Hitcher in Colliery
Resident at the time of Marriage:  103 Commercial Street, Maesteg
Father's Name & Surname:  William Arthur Taylor (deceased)
Rank or Profession of Father:  Printer (Master)

I had previously believed that William Henry Taylor was from the west indies but am beginning to think he was just a name on a birth certificate.

It states that his father is William Arthur Taylor so if I can place WHJ on the 1891 census and possibly the 1901 census with his father then it will confirm my feelings.

I've looked at 103 commercial Street, Maesteg in 1911 and there was no Taylors living there at that time. The family were the Gwyther family.

thanks
pd

[kerry1212]

hi i found william henry taylor born pontypridd lamorgan in 1878 in the 1891 census he is with his father william born in bath somerset he is a printer, his mother Gwenllian born 1843 in Ystalyfera, Glamorgan, Wales his sister louisa born 1872 in Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales and rosetta born 1875 Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales


kerry

[pd]

Thanks Kerry.
I'll check these out and see if I can add them or eliminate them, although William the younger's age is a bit early.
thanks
pd

[Gartag]

I agree about the birth year difference but still could be it.  However, could you clarify a few things that would help the search.

The info you put in I take it was from the marriage cert?  Is this the only info you have?  and wheren does it come in...  are you doing her line and usig marriage to find more on im  or have you got back to him from siblings or decendants?

I'm curious about the phrase 'just a name on a birth cert'?

I will scour 1901 census

Garth

[Ladyhawk]

Name & surname:  William Henry Taylor
Aged: 30 years
Condition:  Bachelor
Rank or Profession:  Hitcher in Colliery
Resident at the time of Marriage:  103 Commercial Street, Maesteg
Father's Name & Surname:  William Arthur Taylor (deceased)
Rank or Profession of Father:  Printer (Master)

found william henry taylor born pontypridd lamorgan in 1878 in the 1891 census father william born in bath somerset he is a printer, his mother Gwenllian born 1843 in Ystalyfera, Glamorgan, Wales his sister louisa born 1872 in Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales and rosetta born 1875 Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales


kerry

William H Taylor age 3 b1878 Pontypridd on
1881 census RG11/5296/150/19 with  his father William TAYLOR age 43 Somerset Bath his occupation is PAINTER not PRINTER

checked the original 1891 census RG12/4410/61/19 and father William’s occupation looks like PAINTER to me – perhaps someone else will take a look and confirm

1901census RG13 4998/110/33

Gwenllian TAYLOR 62 Retired Wash  Laudress ?
William H                  23 Stone mason
3 lodgers living with them

[pd]

Hi Garth
In answer to your query. Information I have is:

1913 birth
Name:  Maggie Sophia Taylor
Born: 16 Gelli Street, Caerau, Maesteg
Sex:  Girl
Name & Surname of Father:  William Henry Taylor
Occupation of Father:  Coal Hewer
Name, Surname & Maiden surname of mother:  Lily Llewelyn Taylor formerly Garrett
Also on certificate is- Name entered after registration:  Mary Minnie Lavinia on Certificate of Naming.

Her parents were married in 1913 in Bridgend

Name & surname:  William Henry Taylor
Aged: 30 years
Condition:  Bachelor
Rank or Profession:  Hitcher in Colliery
Resident at the time of Marriage:  103 Commercial Street, Maesteg
Father's Name & Surname:  William Arthur Taylor (deceased)
Rank or Profession of Father:  Printer (Master)

Name & surname:  Lilian Garrett
Aged: 21 years
Condition:  Spinster
Rank or Profession:  General Servant (Domestic Service)
Resident at the time of Marriage:  102 Commercial Street, Maesteg
Father's Name & Surname:  James Garrett
Rank or Profession of Father:  Coal Miner

This is all the information I have on WH Taylor.

The story is complicated by the fact that verbagl history has it that Maggie's mother died before Maggie was two years old. (I haven't been able to find a death for Lily that fits that time). The story also goes that her father died when she was 8 or 10 years old in a mining accident. After her mother died she was brought up by her father (who was an immigrant fromt he West Indies) and was helped by the neighbours. After her father died she was brought up solely by the neighbours.  Another complication is that Maggie's name was altered as is mentioned on the birth certificate above and she used all these names and was known as Mary. The surname she used was Lambert and I assume that this was the name of the family who she lived with although it could have been her biological father's name.

When searching for the marriage of Lily and William and to see if there were other children etc there are more children born to Lily and William which doesn't fit with what the verbal history of Maggie/Mary is. The births are:
 
Births Dec 1913   (>99%)
Taylor Maggie S Garrett Bridgend 11a1829
   
plus these other children which I believe to be the siblings of Maggie. Maggie was always told that she was an only child and an orphan. This Rosina below was named after Lily's mother Rose/Rosey.
Births Jun 1919   (>99%)
Taylor Rosina Garrett Neath 11a1447   
Births Jun 1922   (>99%)
Taylor Lily M Garrett Neath 11a1845   
Births Dec 1927   (>99%)
Taylor Marjorie Garrett Cardiff 11a531   
Births Sep 1932   (95%)
Taylor Alan E Garrett Cardiff 11a516   
Births Dec 1934   (>99%)
Taylor Glenys J Garrett Cardiff 11a439

"just a name on a birth certificate" - I think that Maggie's father was not who was named on her birth certificate (but not confirmed). William & Lily married in March 1913 and Maggie/Mary was born Nov 1913 which was eight months later. I am beginning to think that for whatever reason only known to them they gave her away to the Lambert's then moved to Neath and had a further 5 children.

I was looking for WH Taylor and his father on the 1891 and 1901 census to see if I could confirm that he was or wasn't an immigrant from the West Indies.

To date I am no closer to solving this.

regards
pd

[pd]

Hi Ladyhawk

thanks for the 1901 census details
regards
pd

[Gartag]

WOW PD,

That makes my George and Martha story plain sailing.  Going to print all that so I can get my head around it.
Some how I don't think I'll be much help but going to plod on as it's a learning curve for me and good practice.

Garth

[ivanidea]

Hello pd

Further to my PM these records could relate to your William Henry Taylor

1881
Lodging House, Little Stanmore, Little Stanmore, Middlesex 
RG11 Piece 1360  Folio 45 Page 8     
AMBRIDGE, James, Head, Married, 49, Carman, born Harrow, Middlesex 
AMBRIDGE, Anne, Wife, Married, 51, Wife, born Aldenham, Hertfordshire 
AMBRIDGE, George, Father, Married, 75, Labourer, born Old Kent Road, London, Middlesex
AMBRIDGE, Caroline, Mother, Married. 69, Wife, born  Harrow, Middlesex
WISSELY, Ann, Lodger, Widow, 69, born Pinner, Middlesex 
CURTEY, Michael, Lodger, Single, 50, General Labourer, born Ireland 
CLARK, John, Lodger, Married, 34, General Labourer, born Harby, Leicestershire 
CLARK, Elizabeth, Lodger, Married, 35, born March Clay 
TAYLER, William, Lodger, Married, 52, General Labourer, born West Indies 
EVANS, Mary, Lodger, Married, 33, born Wales 
TAYLOR, William, Child, Single, 8, born Menby(?)
TAYLOR, Thomas, Child, Single, 5, born Menby(?) 
FROEY, Thomas, Lodger, Head, Married, 54, born London, Middlesex 
FROEY, Caroline, Lodger, Married, 48, born Vewe Casel 
SAW, Joseph, Lodger, Married, 56, Blacksmith, born Lang Nadmon 

(Mary Evans seems to be William Snr's wife - perhaps her maiden name?)

1891
RG12 Piece 4478 Folio 51 Page 31     
108, Rodney Street, Swansea Town And Franchise, Swansea 
TAYLOR, Wm A, Head, Married, 69, Compositor, born Barbadoes, West Indes 
TAYLOR, Mary A, Wife, Married, 52, born Swansea, Glamorganshire 
TAYLOR, Wm H, Son, Single, 18, Labourer Corporation, born New York, United States
TAYLOR, Thomas A, Son, Single, 15, Labourer Corporation, born New York, United States

1901 census
RG13 Piece 5041 Folio 9 Page 10     
19, Charles Row, Cwmdu, Maesteg 
REES, Joseph, Head, Married, 59, Foreman (Coker), born Pembrokeshire
REES, Margaret, Wife, Married, 49, born Maesteg, Glamorganshire
REES, Mary Ann, Daughter, Single, 11, born Maesteg, Glamorganshire
REES, Martha, Daughter, Single, 8, Maesteg, Glamorganshire
REES, Joseph, Son, Single, 5, born Maesteg, Glamorganshire
TAYLOR, William, Boarder, Married, 29, Haulier (Colliery), born New York America (British Subject)

(William is shown as married but I cannot find an obvious marriage for him)

I can't find William in 1911.

Ivan