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robbo43 Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Tuesday 23 February 10 09:20 GMT (UK) »

Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt......This one is sure to get you thinking.

Good Luck and Good Hunting.

Barbara

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My Scavenger Hunt entry -

Kate Philadelphia Gerrard married Frederick Ebor Swales on 24 April 1905 at Holy Trinity Church, Aldershot.  She gave her age as 26, her condition as spinster, her address as 6 Arlington Terrace, Queen's Road Aldershot and her father's name as George Gerrard, a labourer.  Frederick was a lance corporal in the Royal Engineers.  She was recorded as Gerard here but her name usually appears as Gerrard.  The witnesses  were Maurice Percy Biddle and Grace Daisy Springate, not otherwise known

Their son Frederick Thomas Swales was born on 7 April 1907 at 2 Western Terrace, Queen's Road, Aldershot.

The couple marry for a second time on the 14th October 1907 at the Register Office, Elham, Kent.  Kate's age is given as 29 and her father as George Gerrard, farm labourer, her condition as spinster.  She is living at 13 Morehall Avenue, Folkstone and Frederick at Shorncliffe Camp, he is still a lance corporal in the Royal Engineers.  The witnesses this time were A A Joyce and Edith Joyce, again not known to have a family connection.

In the 1911 Census Kate & Frederick are living at Brompton Barracks, Chatham, Kent.  Frederick is now a Corporal.  Kate's age is given as 33 and her place of birth as Brede, Sussex

By 4 March 1920 when Frederick was discharged at the termination of his second period of engagement  he continued to work at Kempston Barracks, Bedford as a civilian employee and the family were living at 11 Whitbread Avenue, Bedford.

Kate died of bronchial pneumonia in Sunny Lodge Hospital, Newport Pagnell on 20 January 1962, her age was given by her son as 85.  Her residence at the time was 12 Lovat Street, Newport Pagnell.

The problem?  There is no trace of Kate before her marriage.  As the marriage was by banns presumably she was at least nominally living at Arlington Terrace for 3 weeks before her marriage but that is it.  Attempts to find her birth in Brede as given in the 1911 census can be found at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,353330.0.html  - not found there

She always insisted that her name was Kate not Kathleen, Katherine etc and was proud of the Philadelphia, but this doesn't mean that these were facts.  We have wondered if she could be an immigrant from America, but two people have said that she did not have a distinctive accent.  We have looked at both Gerard and Gerrard and all the variants on Kate/Kathleen/Katherine we can think of, to no avail.

 There were thoughts that the Kate Mary Gerrard christened 6 July 1872 might be the missing lady, her father was George Gerrard, a farm bailiff.  In 1881 she was living with her mother & stepfather, Caleb Chapman (RG11 1222 89 16), in Milbrook, Hampshire, but she seems to have married at  South Stoneham in Q3 1905

Please, can anyone find Kate before April 1905?

Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.<br />Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden<br />Lamb In Bolton and Ireland<br />Grundy In Bolton<br />Blackledge In Bolton<br />Osbaldeston  ?? ??<br />Barnett in Islington<br />Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton

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Re: robbo43 Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 09:54 GMT (UK) »
To start us off - here are all the birth registrations of Kate Philadelphias!

Oct/Nov/Dec 1870 Stepney
Kate Phil. Andrews

Jul/Aug/Sep 1873 Reigate
Kate Phil. Baytupp (ruled out on other thread)

Ap/May/Jun1868  Worthing Sussex
Phil. Kate M  Coleborn

Oct/Nov/Dec 1863 Tonbridge
Phil. Kate Manser

Jan/Feb/Mar 1856 Portsea island
Kate Phil. Prior

A/M/J 1854 Brighton Sussex
Kate Phil. Sheerman

A/M/J 1853 Stepney
Kate Phil. Turner

A/M/J 1899 Uckfield Sussex
Kate Phil E Weston

So IF she is right about her Christian names, and she was registered with them rather than either being added later ...then in theory one of these girls must be her!

Problem is, none fit in with that 1878/79 ish birth that all else points to.

So maybe concusion has to be that she did not start life with those Christian names ...


Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: robbo43 Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 10:15 GMT (UK) »
There's a Philadelphia Gain, 16,  at Brede Hill in the 1891 census. Father George Gain, an ag lab.

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Re: robbo43 Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 10:23 GMT (UK) »
And here is her birth

Ap/May/Jun 1874
Rye 2b 9
Philadelphia Gain

And in 1881 at RG11 1020 13 19 as Delphia Gain
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 10:30 GMT (UK) »
And a possible marraige for her parents -

Ap/May/Jun 1873
Battle 2b 85
George Gain
one of brides on page Ann Weller.

(grrr hoping it might be Gerrard!)
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 10:31 GMT (UK) »
Here's the full family listing in 1891:

(All born Brede)

George Gain 41 Ag Lab
Annie Gain 40
Philadelphia Gain 16
Mary A Gain 13
William J Gain 11
George A Gain 8
Thomas E Gain 5
Arthur B Gain 2
  

 RG12/757/71/12
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 10:33 GMT (UK) »
So where is Philadelphia Gain in 1901?
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 10:37 GMT (UK) »
Just what I was working on - I cant see her, nor a marriage for her, nor a death .......

Rest of family (George, Annie and some younger children) are now living in Westfield, Battle
Rg13 877 80 19
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 10:42 GMT (UK) »
The Philadelphia name seems to run in the family http://www.thehunthouse.net/ghtout/gp225.htm
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