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Best place to put this enquiry (Essex)
« on: Tuesday 23 February 10 17:44 GMT (UK) »
Are there people on here who like doing a bit of dectective work (nothing really problematical!)?
I have hit a wall for the following

I am trying to find out if there is a father/son link between John Vale b 1792 at Butckberry(sp) Essex possibly Buttsbury

and John Vale b 1817 at either Stifford or Stanford le hope (both towns shown on Census)


My search at Essex RO only found a Peter Vale who married at Buttsbury Chuch in 1790, so that could be the father of John (1792) but traces of a marriage for him or christening for John (1817) proved elusive, although i only had a rather small visiting period available and may well have missed looking in the obvious place
Fisrt time poster so sorry if this is in wrong place, all assistance welcomed

Thanks

Ron

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Re: Best place to put this enquiry (Essex)
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 17:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi and welcome :)

Did John VALE b 1817 marry at any time on or after 1 July 1837?  If so, what details are given as to his father's name and occupation on the marriage certificate?


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Re: Best place to put this enquiry (Essex)
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 19:56 GMT (UK) »
Hello Anna and thanks for the quick response, please bear with the resume

John b1792 on 1841 census shows occ Gasworks Labourer
John 1817 marr cert  shows father John Vale labourer
1817 John went on to be a Gasworks manager (link?)
Now this is why i want to find out if there is a relationship here

John 1792 married( remarried?) in 1828 and had two sons Elijah and Reuben

Reuben married in 1854 had three daughters and one son and then died in 1869, (the mother had already died in 1864)
The three daughters by 1871 appear to be working or in service but Harry (the son) aged 8
b1863 turns up in the 1871 census as John 1817 SON!!
in the 1881 census he is shown as his nephew
I cannot find any definite records that show John 1792 marrying prior to 1828, BUT first time at 36 does seem a little odd
My conjecture is that John 1792 did marry about 1812 and had John b1817 the mother  dying. between then and 1828. He then had Elijah( who goes off the radar completely after 1861) only a daughter located and Rueben, and when Reuben died took Harry under his wing
Harry then got married had one son (my grandad) and then died. Grandma once said that when my dad was born she kept her husband under close watch!!

So if there is a link, then I have some relations with the name Vale with John 1792 as common ancestor, other than that the line may run out with my lad as my dad brother only had daughters
This is why i would like someone near to the ERO who has the time to do some digging there for me.

Hope this is clear!!

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Re: Best place to put this enquiry (Essex)
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 21:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ron,
   Not sure this is going to be much help, but the Seax Online archives is showing parish registers images for Stanford Le Hope with Baptisms up to 1812, so it might me worth looking at the later baptisms to see if any other siblings for John may have been baptised then as the older John would have been 20 by then. I'm afraid the Stifford one they have online only go up to 1780's. The link in case you want it is '

http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/login.asp?Start=True&ERO=2

you then just select images, and enter 'Stanford le hope parish registers' and you show see the catalogue entry, then just click on it and you will be able to page through the images.


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Re: Best place to put this enquiry (Essex)
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 22:16 GMT (UK) »
Richard

Many thanks, that is going to keep me quiet for a while!!!

Ron