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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #252 on: Friday 23 July 10 12:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Bill,

Have no idea who this Robert is, but seeing the name Halpin had to post it. I must go back to the original thread and remind myself what has already been posted. I note you had already posted the above way back in June.

Julia
Doyle, Malone, Ryan, Wicklow.
Murray of Arklow.
(O)Carroll of Annamoe, & Cornagower, Brittas, Wicklow, & Co Carlow.
Waters, Haughton, Leviston, Goggin. Kavanagh Wicklow.
Lavender and Newman of Ballyhad, Rathdrum.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #253 on: Tuesday 27 July 10 16:28 BST (UK) »
     This is a photograph of some of the descendants (deceased) of Robert Wellington Halpin (1816 - 1883; 1st cousin of Captain Robert C. Halpin and Town Clerk of Wicklow).  My grandfather, James Albert Halpin (d. 1975; RW Halpin's grandson), is standing slightly side-on in the front row on the far right of the picture.  The photograph was taken in about 1951, on the day of my aunt's wedding.  She (Marian) is the blushing bride with the high cheekbones standing at the centre of the photo - my grandfather's eldest daughter.  William Halpin, my grandfather's eldest brother and veteran of the 1916 Rising, is not featured in the picture (but his wife, Tilly, is).  He had to excuse himself on account of a bad lung complaint - the very complaint that was to take his life within a few weeks of Marian's wedding.
     

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #254 on: Saturday 31 July 10 14:37 BST (UK) »
Robert Wellington Halpin was Robert Halpin's cousin, so their fathers must have been brothers.  Does anyone know where they were born?  I once looked at the Irish History site and found James Halpin born the same year, I think in Killkenny. I didn't have the time to take it any further and have tried since to get the same info. but can't find the record.  By the way Ray, I have just seen your photo in the Wicklow People, hope you enjoyed your visit.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #255 on: Saturday 31 July 10 16:39 BST (UK) »
Marie, I have discovered that the 1825 Tithe Applotment records of the Parish of Barragh in Co Carlow are freely available online (http://www.from-ireland.net/car/tithes/barragh.htm) .  Some names listed:
Bailey   Aby      Moneygrath (Townland)
Bailey   George Esq   Kilbride
Bailey   Wm      Moneygrath

You have said that there is supposed to be some connection between the Baileys (Bayleys) of Moneygrath and the Wicklow Halpins.   I wonder if a wife of one of these Bayleys just may have been one of the Halpin “aunts” in Co Carlow who figure in Ray’s family lore?
Bill




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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #256 on: Sunday 01 August 10 19:07 BST (UK) »
     This is a photograph of my grandfather's younger brother, Cecil Halpin.  Both he and my grandfather (James) ran away from home in 1914 and joined the British Army.  Their older brother William - a captain in the Irish Citizen's Army - was furious with them.  He followed both to Ulster and "bought them out."  The boys were only 16 and 15 respectively, and had lied about their ages to enlist.  William had them home at Hawthorn Terrace (East Wall, Dublin) only two weeks before they ran away again.  This time they were not followed, and both spent the war, from start to finish, as privates in the 2nd Royal Dublin Fusiliers fighting at the front. 
     My grandfather was, for a time, a very effective sharpshooter.  I don't know if Cecil specialised in anything.  What is remarkable is the fact that both men saw so much action and survived.  It was a rare feat, and whenever my grandfather was asked what he attributed his survival to, he always said "Luck - a lot more than me fair share if it."  He didn't escape unscathed, though.  Suffering from the effects of shell shock he returned to Ireland unable to speak, and spent about a year at Leopardstown Hospital (a Protestant-run institution in Foxrock, Dublin, which specialised in the care of veterans), where he learned to talk again.  His treatment included a great deal of work with animals, which did a lot to restore Jim, since he had greater respect for animals than people.  I don't know if Cecil suffered from war-related illnesses or injuries, but I do know that he joined the Free State Army after Independence in 1922.  An aunt of mine thinks that's when the photo below was taken, on the day he enlisted. 
     Cecil was only in the Free State Army a few weeks, however, before he deserted - an offence that could have got him shot.  His sister, Bridget, had to borrow money from her husband (a wealthy Turf Commissioner), to buy Cecil out.  I have asked why Cecil absconded - it seems he was reviled by other Freestate troopers for "takin' the King's shillin'," - for fighting for the British Army in WW1, that is.  He tolerated the abuse until a few 'Freestater's' began to slander those who had died on the battlefields of France and Belgium.  The dead of that war, both Irish and English, were mostly poor, young, working class lads like himself, and, apart from their shared social background, Cecil - quite  naturally I suppose - had a veteran's regard for fallen comrades and could not abide some of the things being said about them.  Beside himself with rage one night, and in the company of my grandfather, Cecil roamed the streets of Dublin looking for his tormentors.  He found them in a city-centre pub and "called them out."  After a terrific brawl, which the brothers won (as far as the story-tellers in my family are concerned, the boys won every fight they ever fought), Ces and Jim were told they were marked men.  In other words, in the eyes of the IRA and the like, by their behaviour they had proved that they were less than wholly patriotic and, therefore, in line to be murdered.  After all, they had - at a crucial stage in the formation of the new Irish state, showed less than total respect for a few mouthy "true believers" - the implication being that all true believers were Freestaters, entitled to absolute deference regardless of what they thought of their fellow-countrymen.  It was at that time even more dangerous to express any sympathy whatsoever for an Englishman, or for any Irish man who had already disgraced himself by serving in an English army to appear to be less than contrite about that fact, or - worse - to appear to be proud of it.  At any rate, it was after the threat to his life that Cecil decided to desert - he fled the country on a boat to England.  My grandfather, Jim, meanwhile, chose a different strategy and went looking for his would-be assassins (he was crazy, I 'm told, and genuinely feared in North Dublin right into old age).  My father thinks that on this occasion Jim was spared a bullet not because he was riding his luck once again, but because his brother, William - prominent in the Republican movement at that time - intervened on his behalf and had him protected.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #257 on: Sunday 01 August 10 20:35 BST (UK) »
     After it was safe to return, Cecil settled in Dublin for a while and became an entertainer, specialising in song and dance.  He married and a little over a year later his wife gave birth to a son.  Work of any kind was scarce in the post-war years, and Cecil thought he'd try his luck in England.  His wife was frightened of the idea of a trip abroad, and the two had the first serious row of their marriage.  Mrs. Halpin packed her bags and left with her infant son for her mother's.  She returned home to Cecil the next day, but not before her mother issued her with an ultimatum: "Either make your marriage work or come home to me for good.  You can't come and go as you please.  If he upsets you again, come back to me.  But if you do, you won't be going back to him.  You'll stop here for good, or I'll never speak to you again.  And if you go to England, we'll disown you."  In the opinion of my aunt, this deeply affected Cecil's wife.  She wasn't a strong woman, she was illiterate and poor and like many young women at that time depended heavily on an extended family of elderly aunts (and her mother and sisters) for support in raising her child.  That degree of dependency seems to have decided the matter - after another row, Mrs. Halpin returned to her mother's home in Ringsend and remained there.
     Distraught, Cecil did everything possible to reassure his wife - he had relatives in England.  They were expecting him and would be only too happy to accommodate his wife and child.  But the girl was terrified of losing the support of her mother, so the marriage was effectively over.
     Cecil went to England anyway, where he pursued a career on stage, in cabaret bars, that sort of thing - he was known mostly for his entertaining song and dance routines, which won him more than a few regional "Allstar" talent shows.  He eventually ended up as a bit player in the British film industry, in a few instances as Alec Guinness's stunt-double and stand-in.  And the photo below (he's on the left) is of him in a film my aunt thinks was called "Trotty True."  It sounds memorable.  The pretty actress photographed beside him went by the stage name of Jean Kent - any relation to you, Marie? 
     No one can remember exactly when or where Cecil died.  It was somewhere in England, after my parent's wedding (which he attended in 1960).  He was a womaniser, apparently, and when the last woman he was with found out he had secretly spent all her money, she kicked him on to the street.      
     My aunt, who had a relationship with Cecil in his final years, was still on friendly terms with his wife, and when she told her that she intended to visit him in England, the woman asked if she could come along too.  My aunt wrote to Cecil, asking if he'd like to see his wife (they had never been divorced). He wrote back that the idea of a reunion after so many years was out of the question.  He reminded my aunt of the many trips he'd made to Dublin with the aim of seeing his son.  On every occasion he had been denied access.  "She destroyed my life," he said.
     When he died, Cecil died alone, among countless empty bottles of porter.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #258 on: Monday 02 August 10 13:02 BST (UK) »
HI all Halpins,

I have just had the following request. Can anyone help please?

"My husband, Richard Conway Halpin, is related to Captain Robert Charles Halpin (1836-1894)  but we don’t know exactly how.  My husband’s Grandfather was Thomas Halpin (born 1853 in Ireland. Died 1929 in Liverpool, England)   We would be very grateful if you could kindly put us in touch with someone who could help with our family history enquiries.  Thank you."

Julia
Doyle, Malone, Ryan, Wicklow.
Murray of Arklow.
(O)Carroll of Annamoe, & Cornagower, Brittas, Wicklow, & Co Carlow.
Waters, Haughton, Leviston, Goggin. Kavanagh Wicklow.
Lavender and Newman of Ballyhad, Rathdrum.

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #259 on: Monday 02 August 10 22:42 BST (UK) »
Julia, can we get more info?  There is no available record of a Thomas Halpin born around 1853 except one who died in Dublin in 1902.  Can we at least find where and when Thomas married - the record may name his father, or there may be an interesting witness to the marriage.

This has potential importance for all of us.  Thomas is not an acknowledged desendant of the Captain, who only had daughters that we believe all remained unmarried.  If Thomas descends from one of the Captain's brothers (who were all older), he has escaped detection.  That is not impossible but I would be surprised.

But if he descends from a brother of the Captain's father James Halpin (therefore a cousin of the Captain), that is quite exciting.  We have demonstrated here that James' mother Elizabeth was nearly 40 when James was born, allowing years prior for many siblings.  We have one name, Frederick, which is inscribed in James' burial plot in Wicklow.  We also believe Ray's likely antecedent, Robert Halpin, tide surveyor, was another brother of James.

Bill

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Re: Halpins of Wicklow County, Portarlington County Laois, and Dublin City.
« Reply #260 on: Tuesday 03 August 10 00:22 BST (UK) »
Hi, I'm new to this so bare with me please. My granmother was Connie (Constance ) Halpin and had a sister called Tilly as we called her. I know my granmother always said to me that I was related to the Captain (Halpin) of the first trans -Atlantic cable ship. I also remember that my gramother mentioned I was also related to Constable the Artist, I don't know if this true but my mum seems to think it is. Its late and I am SO tired I hope this helps and also some one can help with more facts about the Halpins