Longbenton, Northumberland Grahams

[Razzy]

In Cumberland I have John George Graham son of Thomas Graham and Sarah Watson born April 13th, 1878 in Allerby, Cumberland, England (birth certificate).
After Thomas' wife died(?), Thomas, his new wife, John George and his four siblings arrived in Canada in 1895.
In the 1881 England Cumberland Census John George is born in Hayton
The 1891 England Census for Longbenton, Northumberland John George is born in Isle, Cumberland where his mother is from.
On the 1901 Canadian federal census John George is no longer in Canada neither is his younger sister Eleanor Wilson Graham.
Eleanor was born April 4th, 1882 in Gateshead, Durham, England to the same parents (birth certificate says Winlaton, Gateshead).
Family says George and Eleanor went either to Australia or New Zealand.
I have been unable to find them in Australia, New Zealand, or in England or Durham or Cumberland. Neither in WW1 UK military.
I have a possible 'George Graham' on the S.S. Ortona from London to Sydney, Australia on October 4th, 1905 age 33.
I have a possible Eleanor Graham on the S.S. Dorset from Liverpool to Brisbane in October 1911, age 26.

Apart from that I have (John George and Eleanor Wilson Grahams')
two younger siblings that I am looking for.
Thomas G(?) born April 19th, 1884 Winlaton Durham, England
Robert Graham born June 26th, 1886 Winlaton, Durham, England
When they arrived in Canada with the family, They were still with the family of Thomas and his new wife on the 1901 Canadian federal census. By the 1911 census, these siblings of the first marriage are also no longer in Canada.
I have a Robert Graham in 1912 age 26 Departing St. Johns New Brunswick Canada;
Arrival December 16th, 1912 London, England; official #108251 Ship
'Montrose'.

It seems like they all left Canada. I thought if this is so, some would return to Northumberland however, their parents families are in Cumberland. Since they were of age, they could have gone anywhere. I don't suppose they had alot of money when (if) they left Canada/North America.

Where did they go???
Any help would be great.

[excel]

Hello Razzy,
I have found the 1881 and 1891 Census returns that you have already found. However, with a little bit of luck the next bit of information may be your John George Graham [fingers crossed!]
15 Jan 1920 Burlington, Ontario, Canada
John George Graham aged 40, born Cumberland, England married Florence Davis, 39, born Littlebourne, Canterbury, England. He was an Orderly at Brant Hospital, living at Brant House, Burlington. She was a Cook living in Hamilton. Her parents John Davis and Mary Fairbrace.
John's parents were given as Thomas Graham, b Cumberland and Margaret Reed. The witnesses were Henry Stevens and Ellen Stevens [ could this be Eleanor]. Henry and Ellen were living in Hamilton.
Will carry on looking for earlier records.

added later - I see I have the wrong mother so probably the wrong record!

[excel]

1901 Census; Rat Portage, Algoma, Ontario
You will find an Ella W Graham living there as a Domestic. Aged 19, birthdate 4 Apr 1882; date of immigration 1895.

[Razzy]

Thanks Excel!
I had tried Ellen, Helen, different variations of Eleanor that I could think of BUT, never Ella! Thank you so much for that.
Before I found Thomas' first wifes' name I pondered and pondered over Margaret Reed. Another child that I did not mention as she was the last child that I know of Sarah nee Watson gave Julia Fairfield as her mother on her marriage in Ontario where on her birth certificate it was Sarah nee Watson.

The ship Thomas came over on was the S.S. Numidian in 1895 and on the same ticket (#53745 and #32 passenger it seems to be Thomas Simpson age 35. I have had no success with seeing if there is any connection to this persons whereabouts to finding these children of Thomas and Sarah.

[excel]

Please see the personal message I have just sent re John and Florence.

[excel]

Hi Razzy,
I'm not sure if this is correct but could be! The only problem is that the date of marriage doesn't fit in with the 1911 census. Let me know what you think.
1911, Lincoln, Ontario
John, b england c1878, a Winder in a factory, arr Canada 1907 [could have gone home and come back again in 1907]
Florence May, wife, c1880, b. england   "        "
Dorithy May, dau, c1904, england
Florene Irene, daur, c1908, ontario
John R, son, c1909,        "
Beatrice Ethil, daur, 1911,       "
Robert Graham, brother, c1886, england, arr Canada 1910

Also, re Thomas Graham 1860 - was his second wife, Alice? and were they living at Algoma, Canada. Haven't found anything else yet.
Sorry pc acting up so have to close.

[Razzy]

Yes, that is definitely the Thomas. His second wife is Alice.
I have been trying to find their marriage anywhere from Northumberland (Newcastle upon Tyne) and environs, Dumfries where she was born, Cumberland where he was born, Liverpool where the ship left England for Canada.
Am not able to find anything. Had to have maried between 1893 and 1895 when they arrived in Canada.

Razzy