Benjamin Williams birth date

[casalguidi]

If it is him then this could be a match (if you don't already have it)

1891

Benj WILLIAMS head mar 28 coal miner b.Briton Ferry
Selia wife 24?
Do (for ditto) WILLIAM or should it be other way round and read William Do - or maybe Dd or David? - don't know - son 3
Mary dau 15 months
John boarder unm 29 coal miner b.Britton Ferry
(maybe Thos??) EVANS unm boarder 27 coal miner b.Britton Ferry

I'm afraid I can't decipher the birthplaces for Selia and children - terrible writing - I suspect that we might need somebody with more Welsh experience than I to look at them

RG12/4430 folio 110 page 58

Casalguidi

[paulwilliams]

hiya,
yes i thought i had to have a look myself, more people that i thought there too.
i am wondering why are mothers and wives all having the same name!
kind regards
Paul Williams

[casalguidi]

Hi Paul

If this Benjamin is yours then I would think he's probably quite a bit older than you thought ie born c1862/1863 so the baptism is probably the wrong one 

Perhaps he lied about his age if he was quite a bit older than his second wife 

Casalguidi

[paulwilliams]

Yes i am coming to think the same, just wondering if my information is totally erroneous now?
1901 has 7 children and one has my fathers name!
regards
Paul Williams

[NigelG]

Just sent you some info 

[casalguidi]

Yes i am coming to think the same, just wondering if my information is totally erroneous now?
1901 has 7 children and one has my fathers name!

It's definitely your family then if you have personal effects to support the name & address 

Casalguidi

[SS from The Rhondda]

I'm afraid I can't decipher the birthplaces for Selia and children - terrible writing - I suspect that we might need somebody with more Welsh experience than I to look at them
RG12/4430 folio 110 page 58

Here's my interpretation:

schedule 292
56 Pentre Rd, Tylorstown with Ferndale (part of)
WILLIAMS Benj, head, m, 28, Coal Miner, Glam Britton Ferry, English
WILLIAMS Selia, wife, m, 24, -, Monmouthshire, both
WILLIAMS Dd, son, -, 3, -, Glam Garw Valley, both
WILLIAMS Mary, dau, -, 15 mths,  -, Glam Mardy, -
WILLIAMS John, boarder, s, 29, Coal Miner, Glam Britton Ferry, both
EVANS Thos, boarder, s, 27, Coal Miner, Glam Britton Ferry, both

[paulwilliams]

Stephen THOMAS Head  Male   43   Maenclochog, Pembroke   Coal Miner     
Elizabeth THOMAS  Wife Female  41  Baglan, Glamorgan   Coal Miners Wife     
William THOMAS   Son    Male   23   Briton Ferry, Glamorgan   Coal Miner     
Annie THOMAS  Dau   Female  19   Briton Ferry, Glamorgan   Coal Miner Daughter     
Benjamin WILLIAMS  Neph Male 19 Briton Ferry, Glamorgan Coal Miner Nephew     

this is from www.familysearch.org for 1881
Pontycwmer ,  Llangeinor, Glamorgan, Wales
RG11   Piece / Folio   5328 / 109   Page Number   6


Thanks to NigelG he has provided with many extracts today and to Casalguidi  as well for pointing me in the right direction as ever.

SS from The Rhondda
On the 1901 census it is spelling Selia as Cecilia and says Mountain Ash as her birthplace. I am really impressed you can make out that Thos for Thomas Evans, but i agree with you i cannot make out what it says for Selia birthplace either on that particular document.

It does appear that my grandfather was born earlier 1862, my current thoughts now, especially as i have seen the 1871 census thanks again NigelG, checking his age against other figures its an 8 not a 3.
Thanks once again to everyone i have mentioned.
Kind regards
Paul Williams

[paulwilliams]

I have the certificate, its July 10th 1862, why his passport says July 10th 1870 is another matter!
Many thanks to everyone who has helped discover more
kind regards
Paul Williams