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1901 Look-up for George Belt
« on: Thursday 25 March 10 13:23 GMT (UK) »
I am hoping someone with fresh eyes can find my Great Great Grandfather on the 1901 census.
His name was George Belt and he was born abt 1866 in Hull and he married Harriet Higo in 1886 and they are together on the 1891 census and he is described as a bricklayer.
However, on the 1901 census i have found Harriet with their children George and Elizabeth Fay but no dad George!
He didn,t die until 1930, so i know that he is still alive, but where is he?
Its the only census i haven,t been able to locate him on and i would really like to know where he is.
Hoping someone can help.
Belt in Hull,Yorkshire
Neave in Norfolk
Chant,Winton in London
Mayall in Oldham
Hughes in Cheshire
James in Wales
Russell in Pevensey
Tester in Buxted
Stuart in Roxburgh,Scotland
Higo in Ireland
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Re: 1901 Look-up for George Belt
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 08 May 10 15:31 BST (UK) »
Hi There....

I have searched and searched for your George Belt in 1901, with no joy I am afraid. I do, however, have him 10 years later, living with a Alice Belt sometime Norris......

He married Alice Norris in 1914 at Holborn, and this is where his death was registered in 1930.

Did you know abou this ?

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Re: 1901 Look-up for George Belt
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 08 May 10 15:59 BST (UK) »
Hi
Poss connection
death
Harriet Belt  1st Qtr 1908 aged 41 vol 9d page 175 district Sculcoates
cheers cardiff
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as a matter of interest have you found Harriet on any census I dont see a Harriet Higo on 1881 or 1871?
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Re: 1901 Look-up for George Belt
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 08 May 10 16:14 BST (UK) »
Hi
Poss children have been split George to Essex and Elizabeth to Durham?
 does this ring a bell
cheers cardiff
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Re: 1901 Look-up for George Belt
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 08 May 10 18:57 BST (UK) »
Hi JeannieR
Thanks for looking, he must have been missed for some reason. I do know about Alice and am currently waiting for his death certificate.

Hi Cardiff
I do know about Harriets death and her appearance in the census had been a real struggle untill a kind fellow rootschatter found her and her family on both census, she had been transcribed as kigo on one and igo on the other. However that is where my luck ends as other than the marriage indexes for her and her sisters i cannot find any of their birth records or death records for her parents(they were from Ireland so it,ll be a while before i can attempt anything with them!)
In relation to what happened to George and Elizabeth in 1911, the George in Essex is correct but i,m still a little puzzled by where Elizabeth is, especially as at least from her marriage in 1919 she is always refered to as her middle name Fay.
I am firmly engrossed in the Belt side of the tree at the moment as George senior did seemingly quite well for himself when he moved down to London, by 1920 he became a journalist, so i,m trying to think of a way of finding out what publications he wrote for.
Anyway thanks again Cardiff and JeannieR for your replies so far.
Belt in Hull,Yorkshire
Neave in Norfolk
Chant,Winton in London
Mayall in Oldham
Hughes in Cheshire
James in Wales
Russell in Pevensey
Tester in Buxted
Stuart in Roxburgh,Scotland
Higo in Ireland
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Re: 1901 Look-up for George Belt
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 08 May 10 20:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Again......

I have sent you a PM, but I see that you knew about Alice ....

However. I have found Fay BEET , as a 14 year old at ........

St Veronica's Home
Burton Street
Brixham
Devon

Run by Sisters of Mercy....

On close examination, the name is definitely BELT


JeannieR
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Re: 1901 Look-up for George Belt
« Reply #6 on: Monday 10 May 10 11:10 BST (UK) »
Hi JeannieR

Have sent a PM, hope it sent ok as its first time i have sent one.
Belt in Hull,Yorkshire
Neave in Norfolk
Chant,Winton in London
Mayall in Oldham
Hughes in Cheshire
James in Wales
Russell in Pevensey
Tester in Buxted
Stuart in Roxburgh,Scotland
Higo in Ireland
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Re: 1901 Look-up for George Belt
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 September 10 17:40 BST (UK) »
I think you have hit the jackpot here. George Belt had an affair with a very grande dame indeed, Dora Monterfiore. I am doing a short biog of her and have dug up a certain amount about Belt. He is the correct Belt - no doubt at all. You can find out about DBM on http://www.marxists.org/archive/montefiore/index.htm and about the affair in Christine Collette, Socialism and Scandal: the Sexual Politics of the Early Labour Movement, History Workshop, 23 (1987:Spring) p.102-111. I cannot find this Collette woman, no-one in academe seems to know where she is, last heard of in France.

It occurred over the years 1898-1906 for in 1898 she went to help with the Clarion van that toured the north of England bringing speakers on Socialism to many small and large towns in the region. Part of the Clarion team included George Belt (1865-1930) from Hull, a ‘well built, good looking’ married man with 3 children, 14 years younger than her, a bricklayer’s labourer which was a most wearying job in a dangerous industry. In brief there was an affair which ended disastrously since his wife intercepted a letter from her to Belt in 1899 and passed it on to his doctor, a member of the ILP, treating her husband for some sort of depression. This reached the local ILP and was mulled over by the entire miserable, pious lot in the local branch as it was ‘a remarkable letter for a lady of good social position to write to a bricklayer’s labourer’. Montefiore had the air of a very grande dame indeed but, far from a great lady having a bit of rough, their sentiments seem to have been totally genuine and both she and Belt suffered great heartache because of this and it seems for some time the affair was never even consummated. But Ramsay Macdonald and his wife became involved and faced with an unpleasant whispering campaign Montefiore threatened to sue and forced £120 out of Macdonald for which she was never forgiven by him or his wife. That put paid to any possibility of George Belt becoming an MP in the ILP interest. This pious, smug, self-satisfied man later wrote in letters to others about the affair and the possibility of Belt becoming a candidate, that it was ‘a simple disgrace that such men should be allowed to pose as public persons’, and ‘I am still strongly of the opinion that unless we weed out these moral scallywags we had better close our doors altogether’ and to another individual ‘I was informed that you were particularly interested in the keeping of our movement pure and above board. …..  I regret my mistake’. The affair may finally to have come to an end in about 1906  if not earlier.

There is a lot more that I can add. PLease write to me at my email address which you can find on the Marxist Internet Website.
Ted C

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Re: 1901 Look-up for George Belt
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 September 10 20:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Ted
Thank you very much for your reply to this thread.
I had a look on the website that you mentioned but couldn,t seem to find an email address under your name. Unfortunately i cannot send you a private message on here untill you have made two more posts.
I have a copy of the article by Christine Colette and i would be extremely interested in any information you have.
Kelley
Belt in Hull,Yorkshire
Neave in Norfolk
Chant,Winton in London
Mayall in Oldham
Hughes in Cheshire
James in Wales
Russell in Pevensey
Tester in Buxted
Stuart in Roxburgh,Scotland
Higo in Ireland
All census look-ups are crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk