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Marine Store Dealer
« on: Tuesday 30 March 10 10:57 BST (UK) »
I have found a 'marine store dealer' at Wickambrook (Suffolk)

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Fitzgerald/FitzGerald,Pettitt,Owen,Elsden,Plowman,Caswell,Suffolk,Carrigtwohill,Co.Cork.

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Re: Marine Store Dealer
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 30 March 10 11:01 BST (UK) »
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Re: Marine Store Dealer
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 30 March 10 11:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much!
I see you are interested in Pettitt,so am I.How far have you got.
My Pettits are in Wickhambrook and Ousden (Suffolk)
Fitzgerald/FitzGerald,Pettitt,Owen,Elsden,Plowman,Caswell,Suffolk,Carrigtwohill,Co.Cork.

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Re: Marine Store Dealer
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 March 10 14:30 BST (UK) »
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The term marine store dealer is also commonly used to refer to people of Romany origin (gypsies), many of whom would have settled down at some point.

Good grief! I have one of those in my line - that'll explain my wanderlust then!  ;D


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Re: Marine Store Dealer
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 March 10 15:38 BST (UK) »
A Marine Store Dealer was a licensed broker who bought and sold used cordage, bunting, rags, timber, metal and other general waste materials. He usually sorted the purchased waste by kind, grade etc. He also repaired and mended sacks etc.
Marine Store Dealers were governed by an Act of Parliament 1st. Geo. IV. sec.16 cap.75. Which enacted that every marine-store-dealer shall have his name inserted in legible characters over his shop-door and shall also keep a book in which he shall insert the name and address of any person from whom he shall buy any article.

Apparently Marine Store Dealers were also not allowed to buy full lengths of rope. A search of the "Times" archive brings up many references to them and nearly all were in relation to police courts. In Dicken's "A Christmas Carol" is Joe, a marine store dealer and receiver of stolen goods.

From the OED
3. marine-store dealer, keeper, shop.
1836 DICKENS Sketches by Boz 1st Ser. I. 238 There is not a marine-store shop in the neighbourhood which does not exhibit for sale some faded articles of dramatic finery. 1836 DICKENS Sketches by Boz 1st Ser. I. 91 The marine-store dealer at the corner of the street. 1844 Ainsworth's Mag. 6 112 A marine-store keeper of the pilfered orts and ends of literature. 1851 H. MAYHEW London Labour II. 139/1 Anything that is saleable at the rag-and-bottle or marine-store shop. 1869 Punch 17 July 22/1 They were marine-store dealers. 1922 Econ. Jrnl. 32 308 The improving organisation of the marine-store dealers and other handlers of ‘junk’. 1964 ELH 31 311 William departs with Susan to set up a marine-stores shop.



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Re: Marine Store Dealer
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 31 March 10 01:44 BST (UK) »
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The term marine store dealer is also commonly used to refer to people of Romany origin (gypsies), many of whom would have settled down at some point.

Good grief! I have one of those in my line - that'll explain my wanderlust then!  ;D

Hmmm Interesting!
I have 2 sides of my family with the same occupation, one I am pretty sure ISNT gypsy as they are pretty settled in the area for generation.................... the other is Irish & I cant find much out about them at all, the family are very elusive on their origins in cencus's, so could be possible.

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Manchester – Bate(s) / Bebbington / Coppock or Coppart / Evans / Mitchell / Prince / Smith

Cheshire Latchford – Bibby / Savage / Smith.
Cheshire Macclesfield,  Bollington & Rainow – Childs / Flint / Mc'rea
Cheshire Crewe – Bate(s) / Bebbington
Shropshire Wellington, Wobwell – Smith
Walsall Midds – Smith
Norfolk - Childs / Hanwell / Smith

Also looking for:
Mc'Rea/McCrea – Ireland to Cheshire

And
any relatives of Margaret Bibby married to Thomas Smith all over country

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Re: Marine Store Dealer
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 31 March 10 06:19 BST (UK) »
I'm the same with mine - a brickwall.

And I've since searched the term further, and it suggests that it often refers to gypsies/Romany's of Irish descent, many of whom adopted common surnames and traditional first names when they were trying to become respectable - mine's called John Smith and he's Irish! (Smith is one of the most popular ones used apparently).

I'm sure ALL Irish marine store dealers with the name Smith couldn't possibly have been Romany's but there are a lot of coinkydinks there for me to be intrigued.

 

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Re: Marine Store Dealer
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 31 March 10 08:47 BST (UK) »


And I've since searched the term further,

 

How does this differ from what I posted  :)

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Re: Marine Store Dealer
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 31 March 10 08:58 BST (UK) »
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How does this differ from what I posted 


What?