Thomas Thomas Pwlluchaf Brecon..

[margaret davies]

   Hello again,  I am now looking for Thomas Thomass b 1827 in Llywel, I have him in 1851 living with his parents and siblings at Gwnwyddog farm Brecon, in 1871  and 1881 I have him living at Pwlluchaf farm, with his wife Elizabeth and a son also called Thomas, Thomas his son is age 18yrs,so that makes his birth year 1853, would like to find him on the 1861 census, any help would be appreciated,  Many thanks Marg,,,

[Mort29]

The Thomas Thomas born c1853 is a nephew, not a son.


If this is the younger Thomas in the 1861 census, his folks were William and Eleanor, both born Carmarthenshire

RG9; Piece: 4209; Folio: 35; Page: 5 - Llywel, Breconshire


Your Thomas c1827 and Elizabeth are here:

RG9; Piece: 4209; Folio: 47; Page: 8 - Llywel, Breconshire

[Isobelruss]

1861
RG9 4209/35/5
Blaenwrpe,Pentwyn,Llywell

William Thomas 48 farmer of 809 acres b Mothrey Carmarthenshire
Eleanor 35 wife b Llanderwant Carmarthen
Daniel 30 son b Llanwel
Samuel 22 son b ditto
John 10 son b ditto
Thomas 8 son b ditto
William 7 son b ditto
Ann 4 dau b ditto
Elizabeth 9 mths dau b ditto
Ruth Trice 15 gen servant b ditto
John Evans 40 visitor b ditto
all children unmarried

[margaret davies]

   Hello! THank you both for your help,  Isobelruss, I don`t think that this is the family that I am looking for,, this is Willam and Eleanor,and family,whereas I am looking for a thomas and Elizabeth,,but thanks just the same.
  Mort 29,  Thank you for sending on the RG Folio    etc but I don`t have access to the information  but would like to know where they lived aand who lived with them,, Marg,,

[Mort29]

assumed you did, sorry.

The first one is the family that IR transcribed: it is the actual family of the younger TT, who is TT snr's nephew in the 1871 census.

the second one is indeed TT snr, with wife Elizabeth - no kids of their own but they are minding a child on a 'weekly basis'


Living at or in 'Caerllewin'
 
Thos Thomas 36 Head of Household born Llywel, Brecon: occupation is Farmer of 116 acres
Elizabeth Thomas 34 wife born ditto
Gwenllian Price 24 servant ditto: Serv maid
Evan Thomas 14 servant ditto: Farm servant
Margarret Davies 4 Infant born Llandavery, Carmarthenshire: 'Kept for weekly payment'

[margaret davies]

   Hi! Mort 29,,
   Thank you once again for sending the info on, what a complecated family this is,,, this Margaret Davies that they looked after ,, ON A WEEKLY  arrangement,  she is still with them on the 1871/81censuses I haven`t got the 1891 information to see if she is still there   with them then(Thomas Thomas`s), also on the 1871 census is my husbands  G/Grandmother ANN LEWIS, she is down as niece and I have failed to see how she is belonging,,,
 did they I wonder take her on a weekly arrangement,
  Although on her marraige cert  her father is named as William Lewis   one of the witnesses is THOMAS THOMAS as she also lived with them foralmost 16yrs,,and got married from their farm  PWLLUCHAF Brecon,, Marg,,

[garfydd]

Thomas Thomas, Pwlluchaf, was my gt. uncle,

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[garfydd]

William Thomas at Blaenwysk , Llywel, 1861 was my2xgt.grandfather.  He is living with his 4th wife.  This Thomas family has a very interesting patronymic twist.  The family is also linked with Rachel Charles.  Wm. has no gravestone extant.  His father Thomas Thomas, Gwernyddog, Llywel, lived(after marriage), for a while in Myddfai(sometimes as Mothvey.

[garfydd]

Dear Isabelruss,
William Thomas, Blaenwysk, Llywel 1861, was born at Mothvey (today as Myddfai, Cmn.).  Eleanor Davies, his fourth wife, was born at Llanddeusan(Cmn.) William is my 2gx gdfather , I descend from his third wife.  Wm. died in the mid C1860s and Eleanor remarried a widower. Many of this large family still lives in the area of S.W.Brecs. Thos Thomas family has an interesting patronymic twist, see my article in Cronicl Powys.
Gareth al. Garfydd.