St George in the East

[schmick]

Hello
I am trying to find a baptism record for Madelaine (or Magdalen) Henrietta Vernezobre born about 1806 but could be 1800-1808
According to 1851 census she was born in St George in the East - the trail has gone cold for me here
I live in Australia so difficult to trace further
Thanks

[Valda]

Hi

Have you accessed the Vernezobre Prerogative of Canterbury wills?

Will of Henrietta Marie Vernezobre, Widow of Christ Church , Middlesex 19 November 1791 PROB 11/1211 
Will of Ennice Emilie Vernezobre, Wife 23 November 1789 PROB 11/1185 
Will of Daniel Vernezobre, Merchant of Great Saint Helen, City of London 20 August 1778 PROB 11/1045 

From The National Archives

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/

15th May 1794 St Helen Bishopgate City of London
David John Vernezobre Batchelor
Nelly Sulliven Spinster of St Leonard Shoreditch
by licence
Both signed
Witnesses Willy Sullivan and Edw. Bradley

St Mary, Haggerston Hackney 29th March 1831
Madelaine Henrietta Vernezobre aged 76 Kent Street

Christ Church, Spitalfields 11th July 1833
John Daniel Verneyzobre aged 23 St Dunstan Stepney

This looks to be a Huguenot family and the surname is rare enough in England that they may very well be all connected.

The Vernezobre family purchased a burial vault at Christchurch Spitalfields in 1744. Benjamin Vernezobre receiving permission to move those family members who were predeceased at the time of the purchase of the vault from their resting place at St Leonard Shoreditch

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oILZAAAAMAAJ&q=Vernezobre&dq=Vernezobre&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&cd=1

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=b5PZAAAAMAAJ&q=Vernezobre&dq=Vernezobre&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&cd=5

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=M_PNAAAAMAAJ&q=Vernezobre&dq=Vernezobre&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&cd=30


Have you contacted the Huguenot Society?

http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/family.html


Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Hi

1841 census HO107 713/13 folio 27
Bridge Terrace Mile End
Ellen Vernezobre 55 Ind. Not born Middlesex
Hannah Vernezobre 25 born Middlesex

Marriages Mar 1843   VERNEZEBRE  Hannah Amelia     Stepney  2 375

Deaths Sep 1859   VERNEZOBRE  Ellen     Bethnal Gn  1c 199

1851 census HO107 1546 folio 152
81 Leman Street Whitechapel
Thomas Burke 39 Head Married Foreman London Docks Ireland
Hannah Burke 36 Wife Married St George in the East Middlesex
Tobias Burke 6 Son St George in the East Middlesex
Thos Burke 3 Son St George in the East Middlesex
Ellen Venzenobre 66 Mother-in-law Widow East India Company Annuitant Ireland
plus 1 servant


http://direct.bl.uk/bld/PlaceOrder.do?UIN=177390768&ETOC=RN&from=searchengine

If the baptisms occurred in a Huguenot church they may not be indexed on the IGI


Regards

Valda

[schmick]

Thank you so much for the information - so quick!
I suspect my ancestor is probably the daughter of David John and Nelly (Ellen) Sulliven but still need to find that elusive record. I'll follow up those links you have given me
My ancestor married Richard Coote in 1823 in the parish of St Marylebone. they later moved to Australia.
I suspect Ellen Vernezobre in your 1851 entry is her mother. By the way can you tell me what East India Company Annuitant Ireland means. I'm guessing that refers to her husband's employer and her place of birth?

[Valda]

Hi


The marriage of David John to Nelly Sullivan took place in 1794. Ellen was 66 in 1851 so born circa 1785.

I would contact the Huguenot Society

Ellen's place of birth on the 1851 census was Ireland.

'Annuitant  Receiver of an Annuity - An annuity is income paid to a beneficiary at regular intervals, for a fixed period or ascertainable period (usually the lifetime of a nominee) in return for a lump sum payment having been previously made into the scheme by a subscriber - i.e. a spouse, benefactor or employer' 

http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/a.html


East India Company

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company

East India Company records are held at the British Library

http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/india/indiaofficerecordsfamilyhistory/familyresearch.html


SOPHIA MARY VERNEZOBRE
Christening:  12 FEB 1797   St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London
Father:  DAVID JOHN VERNEZOBRE 
Mother:  ELEANOR 

CHARLES ABRAHAM VERNEZOBRE
Christening:  JUL 1795   St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London
Father:  DAVID JOHN VERNEZOBRE 
Mother:  NELLY 

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oILZAAAAMAAJ&q=%22charles+abraham+VERNEZOBRE++%22&dq=%22charles+abraham+VERNEZOBRE++%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=100&as_brr=0&cd=1

8th January 1823 Christ Church, Spitalfields
David John Vernezobre aged 50, Stepney parish


St George in the East parish registers are covered by the IGI


Regards


Valda

[schmick]

Thank you again - plenty of leads to follow up particularly at the Huguenot Society

[richarde1979]

Just to note virtually all the Huguenot registers are on the IGI, so any baptism should be found.

[Valda]

Hi

the first two children for David John were baptised in Church of England registers so there is no reason to think any other children of his would be baptised in Huguenot churches but nevertheless the Huguenot Society is likely to hold considerable information on the Vernezobre Huguenots.

Would not Madeline's Australian death certificate state who her parents were?

1883 Orange New South Wales
COOTE, Madeline aged 77


Regards

Valda   

[richarde1979]

ANNE VERNEZOBRE   
09 AUG 1727 Saint Martin Orgars French Huguenot, London, London, England

MAGDELAINE SOPHIE VERNEZOBRE
08 SEP 1728 Saint Martin Orgars French Huguenot, London, London, England

HENRIETTE VERNEZOBRE -
10 APR 1730 Saint Martin Orgars French Huguenot, London, London, England

CATHERINE MARIE VERNEZOBRE - 
27 OCT 1731 Saint Martin Orgars French Huguenot, London, London, England

JEAN DANIEL VERNEZOBRE  - 
21 FEB 1733 Saint Martin Orgars French Huguenot, London, London, England

CHARLOTTE VERNEZOBRE  - 
21 AUG 1734 Saint Martin Orgars French Huguenot, London, London, England

EUNICE VERNESOBRE   
08 OCT 1735 Saint Martin Orgars French Huguenot, London, London, England

DAVID JEAN VERNEZOBRE
4 JAN 1737 Saint Martin Orgars French Huguenot, London, London, England

CATHERINE ELIZABETH VERNEZOBRE
11 APR 1739 Saint Martin Orgars French Huguenot, London, London, England

ESTER VERNEZOBRE   
08 OCT 1742 Threadneedle Street French Huguenot, London, London, England

They are the only baptisms in the Huguenot London churches to the family. By the time Henrietta was born 1800-1808 the only one still operating was the Threadneedle Street Chapel, and this to a much reduced congregations of a dozen or so families, mostly from later waves of Huguenots. She was not baptised there in any case as would show up on IGI.

Alot of the Huguenot families used the Independant Dissenters Chapels in london, as well as the C of E, at this time, so that may be an alternative possibility.