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where in the 1871 census ?? - completed
« on: Wednesday 21 April 10 19:46 BST (UK) »
I know that my Great great Grandfather David Howell(born abt 1836) was Station Master of Llwynypia Railway Station, Rhondda in 1871 thru to 1903.  He appears on the census records at the Station House in 1881, 1891, 1901 but I cant find him on 1871.  His family appear on census records (which I have details for) in Cardiff but he is not mentioned on it.  He only got appointed to Llwynypia Station in 1871 and prior to this worked for Taff Vale Railways in Cardiff ......

I am having trouble finding him by just his name and wondered if anyone knows what emmuneraton district in Ystradyfodwg the station house would be under.  (Llwynypia Road/Salem Terrace)

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Re: where in the 1871 census ??
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 April 10 20:01 BST (UK) »
Hi

It's helpful to have details of all family members so I am posting the 1881 details of those children born before 1871 in case it helps to find him in 1871

David Howell 44 b Llanon, Carmarthenshire
Ann   40 b Rhymney, Monmouth
Charlotte M 15 b Treforest, Glamorgan
David W 14 b Taffs Well, Glamorgan
Sarah M 11 b Cardiff
 
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Re: where in the 1871 census ??
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 21 April 10 21:04 BST (UK) »
1871 reference as follows

RG10 Piece 5367 Folio 92 Page 11
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Re: where in the 1871 census ??
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 April 10 10:27 BST (UK) »
I already have the details of his wife and family on a census in 1871 living in Cardiff.  What I am trying to do is find him on a census record, I know from a copy of an obituary in the newspaper that he took the position of Station Master at Llwynypia in 1871 prior to this he was working to Taff Vale at Cardiff.

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Re: where in the 1871 census ??
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 22 April 10 10:59 BST (UK) »
1881 the enumeration district is no. 20. In 1871, the enumeration districts go up to 11, but I haven't spotted a mention of the railway in any of the descriptions. It could be that he was at work and not enumerated.

Have you tried finding the staff records of the TVR?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/08il/
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: where in the 1871 census ??
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 April 10 11:32 BST (UK) »
Followed your link and it shows the following:

Record Summary
Scope and content   
No.1
Covering dates   1840-1882
Availability    Open Document, Open Description, Closed For 75 years
Former reference (Department)   TV15 1
Note   See also RAIL 264/305 Closed for 75 years
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The National Archives, Kew

Does this mean that I cannot access the records for 75 years ???
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Re: where in the 1871 census ??
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 22 April 10 13:04 BST (UK) »
well, it's a little more than 75 years since 1882, so I wouldn't think there would be a problem.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: where in the 1871 census ??
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 April 10 14:20 BST (UK) »
More info on this request 1861-1871 on Glamorgan look up requests
cheers cardiff
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Re: where in the 1871 census ??
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 22 April 10 18:09 BST (UK) »
well, it's a little more than 75 years since 1882, so I wouldn't think there would be a problem.

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thanks - how to I go about accessing these records - I have never really looked at National Archives website before today ....
Powell - Ton Pentre
Phillips - Llwynypia
Howell - Llannon/Llwynypia/Cardiff/Pennsylvania,USA
Ungoeds - Llannon,Carmarthenshire/Australia