Re mystery Grandfather

[tropicalj]

Thanks for that Link Merlin


I have read through it all but  by  the looks of  it Sue  has received some or if not all this information from  there

Kind thoughts Jenn

[suehogben]

Thank you, thank you, so much for the death notice, I,m 99% certain thats my Harry, right address for the one I've been following in the rolls.

What a huge comfort that he didn't die friendless, strange though that they are all women? That was my biggest worry that he had died alone and friendless.

I too reckon that the person who arranged the funeral must be Eileen, and not a he. I'll get in touch with the funeral home to see if they have any more information.

Do you think she would have been a landlady?Or a lady friend?

Is there any way that I can check if Eileen Hall had family? Children that might just remember stories about Harry? Know what happened to his possessions, (not that I want them, just like to know if there were any items such as his medals) have photos?

Here in the UK, we can use censuses to sort of trace the families, not sure how it works in Australia.

I'm awaiting more info from the NAA, his care records for after 1920, so there may be more info on there.

I'll also try a posting in the womens surname to see if there's anyone researching them and their families who might have any sort of knowledge.

[aniph]

There are 2 trees on Ancestry with Arthur Henry Irwin and Izabelle Kiligian. Seem to come from London and children born Melbourne. Maybe worth a message to the tree owners

Annie

[tropicalj]

re my post no 16
I feel  that  two of the women were mother and daughter,

Jenn

[judb]

Good thinking, Jenn.  I hadn't even noticed the Lynch surname which connects the three of them.

Electoral rolls show Eileen Margaret HALL at 317 Beaconsfield Pde in 1954 and 1949 also - can't see Harry there in 1949 but he is at 317 Beaconsfield Pde in 1943

Edit to add - a couple of long shots but worth a look in newspapers (not till next week for me though )

 Eileen Margaret HALL at Springvale Botanical Cemetery,   burial 30/11/1967   
Location Details Joshua Jordan Lawn - Lawn Grave Row AW Grave 31   

(I know the reg date jenn found is 1968 but perhaps................)

And this is almost certainly Marie

Cemetery Springvale Botanical Cemetery   
Marie Therese  MCCAHILL, buried  09/07/1976     
Location Details Stewart Lawn - Lawn Grave Row O Grave 38   

Can't see Myra Lynch at Springvale

Judith

[cando]

We know he was in the AIF, and returned to Australia 1920(we assume) Melbourne, he was listed as sailing on the Kingoma, but on the ? list, where it has date of return, there is no date, so maybe he didn't sail after all at that time?

According to Harry's digitised WW1 record he sailed on the KIGOMA not KINGOMA He would be one of the unknown other ranks.

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23

Unknown 2 Nurses   arrived Melbourne Jul 1920 KIGOMA P0rt B Fiche 935 Page 000
Unknown 2 Officers   
Unknown 32 Children
Unknown 51 Women   
Unknown 78 Other ranks

This request for information for Harry POWIS rings a bell...perhaps I contributed to a thread on another website.


Cheers
Cando

[cando]

The old homes in Beaconsfield Parade, St Kilda West are quite substantial, well those that are left and I wonder if 317 was a boarding house.

Marriage
LYNCH Eileen Margaret
HALL Arthur Sinclair
1933  Reg#7441

As Eileen was born c1882 there would be no children from this marriage.

I cannot find this couple together on the electoral rolls.  There is an Eileen Margaret LYNCH living at various addresses but no-one of the same surname at the same address. in 1949 there was an Eileen Margaret HALL living in Park Street, St Kilda West  HD, no other HALL's at the address.

It would appear that Eileen possibly had two illegitimate children including Marie Therese

LYNCH Dorothy Kathleen
Father Unknown Mother Eileen LYNCH
At Carlton 1915  Reg#10290

LYNCH Marie Teresa
Father Unknown Mother Eileen LYNCH
At Carlton 1920  Reg#29088

Cando

[suehogben]

How can i thank you folks enough for all this treasure trove of info?

I have a lot more to go on, if it weren't for the fact that Harry didn't return until 1920, I'd even be wondering if he was the Dad?

I'm guessing that neither of these women will still be alive now? Or if they are they are of a good age, but they might have families who have knowledge of their Mums and Grandmas past stories.

I had put a tentative reply to the Irwin post, and tried to contact them, but no reply so far, but am slightly worried about the part where Harry moves into where Isabelle lives, might be innocent, but don't know, and reluctant to push it in case it rattles some unwelcome skeletons.

I've written to the undertakers (couldn't find a web-site for them) hoping they might have more info.

Do you have access to wills in australia? Or because it's as late as 1950's does that exclude them from public viewing?

I've only ever looked for wills in the 1800's here in the UK, so don't know too much about them.

Will be trawling the electoral rolls now to trace these women if poss.

[suehogben]

In 1943 Harry is living at 317 Beaconsfield Parade, along with Marie Theresa Lynch, who's listed as a guest house proprietress