Re mystery Grandfather

[suehogben]

Just a quick query, as i'm trying to track him, and finf any friends people around him, do the regions move?

in 1943 he's at no 317, which is in Melbourne Ports St Kilda West, but i can't find this district in 1942, St Kilda, but Beaconfields parade doesn't seem to exist, not that I can find anyway....

[tropicalj]

The death/funeral notice for Eileen Margaret Hall may very well confirm my  thoughts that  these  three ladies were related.

Yes electoral divisions and boundaries are allways moving, as populations dictate  the size of electorates.

Myra Lynch could be still alive... and of course she may be have married after  Harry's death.

Jenn

[cando]

Electoral roll listings are no guarantee that the person is living at the address at the date the election. People move, marry and died but their name is usually not removed from the roll until the fail to vote at an election however I am speaking of the years your are searching.  These are the election rolls available online for the State of Victoria - online information is only available for the years with the* - 1920-22, 1924*, 1925-28, 1931*, 1932-35, 1936-37*, 1942-43*, 1949*, 1954* -

Your are searching by Division and sub division however the address on the image of the roll is the suburb.   Beaconsfield Parade overlooks Port Philip Bay and extends from the suburb of Albert Park to St Kilda West.  Enter the address and search here - the house is no longer there, replaced by a large block of flats/apartments. http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&tab=wl 

Certificates would help you further you research if you are really keen to find out more about the LYNCH family. 

Buried at the same location as Marie Therese McCAHILL
http://www.deceasedsearch.com/index.php
Springvale Botanical Cemetery    
McCAHILL Michael
Religion - Roman Catholic   
Funeral Director - Tobin Bros Frankston
Date of Service - 20 May 2003.    
Date of Death    10 May 2003   Age 79 years  Date of birth 13 Feb 1924
Burial - Stewart Lawn - Lawn Grave Row O Grave 38

I can find no ESTLER's on the Victorian indexes or on the National Archives website.

Wills in Victoria - you would need someone to search for a file number on the probate index, order it and then have someone view it for you. 
Agents  - http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide015/PROVguide015.jsp

http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide068/PROVguide068.jsp

Cando        

   

[tropicalj]

http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/HeraldSun-AU/Obituaries.asp?Page=ArchiveSearch

The Herald Sun has a listing for Michael McCahill,  you can order  it online for about $5.00 or hope a fellow rcer can do a lookup

Jenn

[cando]

These are Eileen Margaret LYNCH's brothers...same parents as noted on her death registration.

LYNCH Herbert John
Father Daniel  Mother Margaret  RYAN
At St Kilda  73  1961  Reg#20304


LYNCH Harold Joseph
Father Daniel  Mother Margaret  RYAN
At St Kilda  1971  Reg#6001

? The link with the LYNCH family?  Did they meet in a boarding house?

I haven't found Harry again until 1935, where he's living now at 408 william street, and is there in 1936, haven't looked for Isabelle yet.

Australian Electoral Roll
1931
LYNCH Harold Joseph  408 William Street, Melbourne West, Labourer
LYNCH Margaret  408 William Street, Melbourne West  HD
LYNCH Maria Murray  408 William Street, Melbourne West HD
[Maria Murray is a sister according to her death registration in 1968 aged66]

LYNCH Hebert John 213 Clarendon Street, South Melbourne  Draper
LYNCH Elsie  213 Clarendon Street, South Melbourne  HD

1936, 1937
LYNCH Herbert John 175 Lygon Street, Carlton  Draper
LYNCH Elsie  175 Lygon Street, Carlton HD

1943
LYNCH Elsie 292 Victoria Street, North Melbourne  HD
LYNCH Harold Joseph 294 Victoria Street, North Melbourne  Florist
LYNCH Herbert John 292 Victoria Street, North Melbourne   Draper
LYNCH Margaret 294 Victoria Street, North Melbourne  Florist and HD

1954
LYNCH Elsie  286 Punt Road, South Yarra  HD
LYNCH Herbert John  286 Punt Road, South Yarra  No occupation
1949, 1954
LYNCH Harold Joseph 26 Edgevale Road, Kew  Waterside worker
LYNCH Margarethe Margaret  26 Edgevale Road, Kew  HD

Death certificates detail children of the marriage both living and deceased.

Cando

[cando]

The LYNCH family are from NSW...
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
Births to Daniel and Margaret at Gundagai.  Eileen Margaret appears to be registered as Margaret E.

Herbert John LYNCH and Elsie married in NSW in 1913.

I am posting this information in the hope that you may find a descendant who may know the story of Harry POWIS.

My thoughts are that Harry and Harold Joseph met in a boarding house and the association with the family went from there.

Cheers
Cando

[judb]

Couldn't resist going out on the hunt for these!  Unfortunately it looks like no further useful information.

Melbourne Sun-Pictorial, 29 Nov, 1967
HALL- On Nov 28 at the Alfred Hospital, Eileen Margaret of 317 Beaconsfield Pde, St Kilda, mother of Marie (Mrs McCahill), nanna of Marie-Ann, sister of Harold Lynch
Funeral was a requiem mass at Sacred Heart church St Kilda, then to Springvale

Melbourne Sun-Pictorial, July 8 1976
MCCAHILL - Marie Therese, July 7, wife of Michael, mother of Marie-Anne, cousin of Mary Donaldson and family.

Herald-Sun, May 17, 1976
McCAHILL. - Michael, passed away peacefully May 10, 2003. He left his native Scotland so many years ago to make this country his home.  Left to join his beloved Marie, loving father, grandfather, brother and brother-in-law - Marie-Anne, Allegra, Gabriella and Richard.

 Funeral from Catholic church, Middle Park.

Eillen's brother Herbert is also at Springvale
Herbert John LYNCH buried 25/10/1961
Simmons Lawn - Lawn Grave Row CH Grave 53

AHA - Myra is also a sister!

Melbourne Sun-Pictorial, Oct 24, 1961
LYNCH - Oct 23 Herbert John  of 317 Beaconsfield Pde St Kilda, husband of Else (sic), father of Don, brother of Minnie (Mrs Withers), Harold, Eileen (Mrs Hall) and Myra, uncle of Marie, Michael and Marie-Anne.
Funeral - Requiem Mass at Catholic Church St Kilda.

And Harold:
Harold Joseph LYNCH buried 16/03/1971
Simmons Lawn - Lawn Grave Row H Grave 23

I haven't looked for any more.  My thoughts are that he boarded with them and thus became friends, agreeing with Cando

Judith

[cando]

LYNCH - Oct 23 Herbert John   of 317 Beaconsfield Pde St Kilda,

Judith

So he lived at the same address as well.

AHA - Myra is also a sister!

Judith
According to the NSW birth indexes I think this is

LYNCH Maria Murray  408 William Street, Melbourne West HD
[Maria Murray is a sister according to her death registration in 1968 aged 66]

Cando

1937 Harry's moved to 432 Lonsdale st

suehogben
You omitted his occupation - cook.  Was this his occupation on his death certificate on the other linked thread

I've found my Harry in 1925 at 16 Laburnham St Melbourne living with Arthur and Issabelle Irwin (Arthur was also born in Hackney, and joined about the same time as Harry, so presumably they knew each other?)
1926 Arthur and Harry are still at no 16, but no Isabbelle
1927 Arthur and Henry are still at no 16, but Isabelle is at no 27
1928 Arthur is at 16 still, Harry and Isabelle are at no 27?
1931 Arthur is at no 16, Harry and Isabelle no 27!

suehogben

...am slightly worried about the part where Harry moves into where Isabelle lives, might be innocent, but don't know, and reluctant to push it in case it rattles some unwelcome skeletons.

suehogben

I am unable to see the early electoral roll listing you have detailed on the thread.  I understood that of the following Victorian electoral rolls available only the years marked with a* were online - 1924*, 1925-28, 1931* but you have recorded years 1925, 1926, 1928.   I think the IRWIN's simply moved from 16 to 27 Laburnum Street, Brighton [not Laburnham Street, Melbourne]  I would suggest that you are a bit more careful with names and addresses....I was searching for a Laburnham Street in the CBD of Melbourne.

Australian Electoral Rolls
1924
IRWIN Arthur Henry  52 Elgin Street, Hawthorn  Clerk
IRWIN Izabelle  52 Elgin Street, Hawthorn  HD

1931
IRWIN Arthur Henry  16 Laburnum Street, Brighton  Clerk
IRWIN Izabelle  16 Laburnum Street, Brighton  HD

1936, 1937
IRWIN Arthur Henry 27 Laburnum Street, Brighton Civil Servant
IRWIN Isabelle  27 Laburnum Street, Brighton  HD

1942, 1949
IRWIN Arthur Henry 105 Robinson Road,  Hawthorn  Public Servant
IRWIN Izabelle  105 Robinson Road, Hawthorn  HD
[Izabelle died in 1949]

1954
IRWIN Arthur Henry 105 Robinson Road, Hawthorn  Public Servant
IRWIN Marie 105 Robinson Road, Hawthorn  HD

I would suggest that Harry POWIS was simply a lodger.

Cando

[judb]

Having read the thread properly this time I see Myra is at Springvale

Maria Murray LYNCH buried 03/09/1964 Joshua Jordan Lawn - Lawn Grave Row AW Grave 31

Will have a look for her death notice but won't be till next week.

I know some of this has been listed before but thought I'd put it all in.

Electoral rolls for Maria Murray LYNCH (all home duties):
1924 63 Sydney Rd South Brunswick
1931 408 William St Melbourne with a Margaret LYNCH and Harold Joseph LYNCH laborer
1936, 1937 at William St with Margaret -no Harold
1949, 1954 with Marie Therese (guest house proprieter, as has already been listed) at 317 Beaconsfield Pde

I think Cando is spot on with her proposition that he was a boarder.  My great-uncle and aunt had a boarding house in High St Prahran and had some long-term boarders who were treated as family.

Judith