Help needed to 'kill off' a couple of POTTINGERS

[Sloe Gin]

I'd be grateful if someone could check for the burial of a John POTTINGER, probably born 1758 in East Ilsley.

He married Mary COAKES in East Ilsley in 1792.
John & Mary had two children baptised there in 1793 (Elizabeth) and 1797 (Ann)
Mary POTTINGER (widow) married William BROWN in 1805.

Can't find a burial for John, although there is one in Compton in 1803 for "Mr John Pottinger the Impropriator".  Not entirely convinced it's him, though.  Can anyone spot any other likely candidates?

He may be the same John Pottinger who married Hannah ADNAMS in 1782 in Chieveley, as there are children baptised in East Ilsley to John and Hannah from 1783 to 1789.  So a burial for Hannah Pottinger 1789-92, possibly in Chieveley, would help confirm this.

(I should say they are not my family, this is related to something else I'm working on.)

[jillruss]

As you've probably discovered, there are LOTS of Pottingers in this area. I have them in my tree and it's a bit of a minefield!

The Berkshire Burial Index has a burial for a Hannah Pottinger in Chieveley 28.7.1791. Helpfully  it describes her as the wife of [blank] but at least you know she was somebody's wife! (not an infant). So, possibly 'your' Hannah.

As well as the one you've already got in Compton, there are these burials around the right time (1796-1805) for a John Pottinger:

22 Aug 1796 Blewbury  John Pottinger of Upton
29 Sep 1799 Bradfield  John Pottinger (no additional information)

Bradfield is less than 10 miles from Chieveley, and East Ilsley is on the third point of a 10 mile triangle with the other two.

I don't know how much you know about these Pottingers, but, in my experience, the Compton Pottingers tend to have been very well to do.

Jill

[Sloe Gin]

Hello Jill, thanks for this. 

Does look like it's the same John then: he and Hannah had four children in Ilsley, Hannah died and was buried back where she came from and John married again quickly, as people did then.  It does make sense of something that I've been trying to fathom out - too complicated to go into here 

You're right about the Compton Pottingers, I don't feel he's one of them although the 1803 burial fits timewise.  He could be one of the others you've found - if they moved away and Mary returned to Ilsley after his death (Upton's only a couple of miles walk away across the Downs) but then he may still have been buried in E Ilsley and the burial entry omitted or lost, it wouldn't be the only case of that.

The only other anomaly is that JP would have had two daughters called Elizabeth!  But that's not impossible.

Anyway, that's been a big help, thanks! 

[ribbo39]

Hi Sloe Gin,

From the East Ilsley PRs (ex BFHS) is this burial;
13-6-1786 John Pottinger.

From the same parish is this baptism;
11-4-1758 John s/o John & Eliza: Pottinger

Hope these help. I can look up more in East Ilsley if you would like me to.

Alan

[Sloe Gin]

Thanks Alan, but I have all the EI stuff.  I think that baptism is the chap we're after, and the burial is his Dad. 

One of John & Hannah's daughters had an illegitimate daughter (Melytia aka Letitia), and I now think she was probably brought up by John's second wife Mary.  This explains a reference to Melytia's husband as being Mary's son-in-law: the writer* probably thought Melytia was Mary's daughter.  There, I said it was complicated!

*the writer being the outgoing curate who conscientiously prepared a list of his parishioners for the new Rector.  With comments, often disparaging!  It should be of great interest to anyone with East Ilsley people in their tree, as it amounts to a census - in 1831.  I'll let you all know when it's available.

[matgeorges]

I have the Pottinger's of Compton and they are seperate from the East Isley ones. John Pottinger of Compton, Inn proprieter, married Elizabeth Head in 1759.

[Sloe Gin]

I never did get the East Ilsley JP buried    I think it's most likely that he was buried in Ilsley, but it was not entered into the parish register for some reason.

The transcribed annotated 1831 "census" mentioned above is now available, see

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,459879.0.html

[ribbo39]

Hi Sloe Gin,

"So a burial for Hannah Pottinger 1789-92, possibly in Chieveley, would help confirm this."

Going back to your original post as  above;. there is this burial in Chieveley St.Mary the Virgin. - 28-7-1791 Hannah Pottinger

Alan

[Sloe Gin]

Yes thanks, Alan.   It was the reference to Melytia's husband as being Mary Brown's son-in-law that I was trying to solve at the time, but I think we unravelled it successfully in the end.