DIX and WHEELER

[wozzle]

marriage
thomas henry painton
y.o.r. 1898
qtr; jan/feb/mar
dist; wantage
vol; 2c
page; 435
on the same page anna lay/say
there is an ann lay born in wantage in 1868
so it seems as if this thomas did marry annie lay and not annie dix
furthermore there is no ann/annie dix born in berkshire in the right time frame

also there is no birth of a mary painton in the right timeframe
so it looks as if the mary painton found on the 1911 could well be mary dix
here is the birth reg if you do not have it
name; mary alexandra dix
y.o.r. 1902
qtr; apr/may/jun
dist; bradfield
vol; 2c
page; 321

unfortunately you still do not know many of the answers that you were seeking
mick

[Sloe Gin]

Hi

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[sandra c]

Hi Mick

    Thank for the information i think that Mary Dix and Mary Painton are the same person. I know that when Mary married William Richard Brown she when under the name of Dix . I think when she was a child she use the name Painton and then as a adult she use the name Dix. Sorry i did not reply yesterday but i was ill all day.

   Sandy

[wozzle]

yes i agree mary painton and mary dix are probably one and the same
cannot see a family link with painton and dix apart from mary being the adopted child of thomas painton

[sandra c]

Hi Mick

      I have just received the marriage certified for Glady Dix and Harold John Wheeler which has the following information

14 November 1925
 
 Groom name Harold John Wheeler age 28 not sure of profession not sure father is John James Wheeler deceased

Bride Gladys May Dix age 25 years no profession father William Dix

  So this is the right marriage
  Thanks Mick for the help with Gladys marriage
 SANDY

[wozzle]

if his name is harold john wheeler born 1897 and his father is john james wheeler
then the info i have given you previously for the wheeler family is the wrong family
i have had a look again and the only one that fits that i can see is the following
1901
RG13/462/158/33
john wheeler age 36. b. southampton. occ. carpenter and joiner. head
ellen.e. age 35. b. ditto. wife
dorothy.e. age 9. b. clapham,london. daughter
may.a. age 7. b. ditto. daughter
mary.e. age 6. b. ditto. daughter
harold.j. age 5. b. ditto. son
love read age 62. b. burton,dorset. mother in law(wid)
albert.e.read age 22. b. southampton. occ. auctioneers clerk. brother in law
janet.s.read age 20. b. ditto. occ. dressmaker. sister in law
living at;22,turret grove,clapham,london
reg.dist; wandsworth

this ones middle name is john
here is his birth
harold john wheeler
y.o.r. 1896
qtr; jan/feb/mar
dist; wandsworth
vol; 1d
page;733

[candrjm]

Hi Sandy,

This may be worth further investigation:

There is a marriage in 1885 for a Hannah Dix and Isaac Lay in 1885 in Abingdon

There is a birth for a Hannah Dix in 1864 in Abingdon (reg district for Tubney)

There is a death for an Isaac Lay aged 34  in 1895 in Wantage

In the 1881 census Jane Dix & some of her children are living in Abingdon Rd and  the next household are Charles & Emily Lay and family (perhaps some connection to Isaac Lay)

In the 1891 census there is an Isaac Lay with, wife Annie Lay, born Tubney c1866

Couldn't find Isaac Lay c1861 in the 1901 census nor an Ann/Annie Lay c1866 in Tubney

In the 1911 census Anna Painton (Lay) is recorded as being born in Tubney
and so is William Dix. (Perhaps the are siblings and Anna/Hannah married Isaac Lay then when he died she remarried to Mr Painton, if so then William's daughter Mary would have been given to his sister Anna/ Hannah).
(William did have a sister, Ann/Anna/Annie/Hannah)

The 1911 census records that William Dix and his wife had 8 children, I could not find any Dix children born after 1911 with mother's maiden name Lowe so unless they had children born dead or were counting miscarriages it looks like they didn't have the 13 children that you mention.

Sorry but I only have access to the 1881 census and the 1911 census so I can't have a good look around the other census years, maybe someone else could have a look for you.

Chris

[candrjm]

Hi Sandy,

I've been having a look around a bit because Thomas & Ann Painton married in 1898 and on the 1911 census they have a son John Painton born c1897 Abingdon. (This made me think perhaps he was not their biological son and that may be like Mary, he was born to other parents)

I can't see a birth reg. for a John Painton in Berkshire in this time frame but there is a Charles Parker birth reg. Dec Q 1896 Abingdon 2c 302

On the 1901 census they have a nephew living with them born c1897 Abingdon.

This makes me think that Charles Parker became John Painton as both were recorded as born c1897, Abingdon.

I thought that if I could find a link between a Dix and Parker, this might help prove the link with Ann Painton (Lay)

I checked to see if there was a link for Parker/Painton and found nothing.


On further investigation I have found that Martha E Dix recorded on the 1871 census with her mother Jane Dix (nee Bestley) was the daughter of Jane Bestley (before she married William Dix). Martha Eliza Bestly's birth reg. Sept Q 1861 Abingdon 2c 251. (Jane married in 1862). (No birth reg for a Martha Dix in this time frame)

Martha Eliza Bestley married in 1884 Mar Q Abingdon 2c 425 to Charles Parker

Martha Eliza Parker died aged 35 in June Q 1898 Abingdon 2c 180

So I think that Charles Parker born in 1896, recorded on he 1901 census was the nephew of Anne Painton and that when Martha died her son Charles was given to Thomas & Ann Painton to raise.  If this is correct then it  would mean that Ann Painton was the sister of Martha Bestley (Half sister, if William Dix wasn't Martha's biological father).

So perhaps Anna Painton could not have children and "adopted"  Mary & John Painton.

Chris

[candrjm]

Hi Sandy,

The 1911 census records a Harold John Wheeler aged 13, born Hon Minster Lovell, living with his parents John James Wheeler, aged 47, born Aston Berkshire, Farm Labourer and Alice Sabina Wheeler aged 38, born Oxon, Coke Thorpe, in 4 rooms at Baker Street, Aston Tirrold, Wallingford Berks. It states that his parents had been married 11 yrs and had 2 children but that only one was still living at this time.

This chap fits the age and location of your Harold John Wheeler.

Chris