Giles Fox

[Garnier]

Hello Terry,
William Johnson, the partner of Johnson & Fox tanners, was my G.G.G. Grandfather. However, all the Fox information is new to me and I can't add anything there.
However, I wonder if you are aware of the article which appeared in "The Morning Chronicle" ( London,England) on Thursday, July 25, 1805. It reads " To Tanners- To be Let, at Michaelmas next, a capital Tan yard, containing upwards of 80 pits, well supplied with excellent water, with the drying sheds, bark barn, mill, scouring house, and appurtenances, with two acres of meadow land, and a good dwelling house, situate at Alresford, in the County of Hampshire.
For particulars inquire of Mr Cranley or Mr Johnson at Alresford, or Messrs Johnson and Fox, Tanners and Leather Factors, Southwark, London." Additional Johnson information I can provide, if you are interested.
( George Johnson, e-mail: (*))

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[chafox]

 
Thanks again, George

That must have been the result of the Johnsons removing from Alresford to Grange Walk bermondsey in the very first years of the 1800s.
I have kind of got hooked on finding out all I can about the Johnson and Fox business.

that's very interesting, and any info on that early period is very welcome.
thanks very much.

Terry

[dawnsh]

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[snowball]

Hi,
If you want more on the Fox connection, this indicates that Johnson was in business with a Charles Fox at one time - deceased here in 1823: column 2 http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/17919/pages/720

This corresponds with the PCC will of a Charles Fox, tanner, in the right area in 1823.

Regards
Rob

[Garnier]

Hi Rob,
Although I have never established a relationship between the Johnson and Fox families, who were involved in the Johnson & Fox Tannery of Bermondsey, I have a note on my file that William Johnson and a Charles Fox resided 5 doors apart.
I would be interested in knowing the additional information you may have, regarding the connection of the two families.

[chafox]

 The books that I saw, which gave the name GILES Fox were only transcripts.
Not having looked at the original rate books, it has to be possible that the name Giles is a mistranscribing for Charles.
That could explain why the name Giles does not tally.
A death in 1823 would be about right for his disappearance from the scene.

Terry

[Dave Francis]

The Times, Saturday, Aug 25, 1821; pg. 4; Issue 11334; col B
and The Times Saturday, Sep 08, 1821; pg. 4; Issue 11346; col B

Advertisement:

"To Tanners, Engineers, Manufacturers, and Builders.- Extensive and valuable Freehold Tanyard, Stock and Utensils in Trade, Carts, Waggon, a capital Cart Gelding, and Alderney Cow, an excellent strong-built Gig, with Collinge's patent axle, Harness, Saddle, Bridles, &c.; the Grange, Bermondsey, on Thursday, September 13, at 11, by direction of the proprietors, Messrs Johnson and Fox, quitting the tanning business,
A Valuable Freehold Estate, comprising a spacious and eligible tanyard, peculiarly well adapted for the new system of tanning, every requisite outbuilding, a comfortable dwellinghouse, a countinghouse. On the same day, and immediately after the sale of the estate, will be sold a quantity of coppice bark, about 20 loads, horsehair bags, 2 capital bark mills, an excellent cast iron striking roller, with bed, cast iron beans, striking pins and boards, pumps, shoots, Medhurst's patent weighing machine, and numerous other utensils used in the tanning business. The premises to be viewed till the sale, and the utensils on the Wednesday previous, and particulars had of Messrs Hicks and Braikenridge, solicitors, Bartlett's-buildings, Holborn; also catalogues of the utensils of Mr Adamson, 58, Fenchurch-street."

The Times Friday, Jan 31, 1823; pg. 1; Issue 11783; col A

Advertisement:

"To Tanners. - Fareham, Hants, - For Sale by Private Contract, a very superior Tan-Yard, well stocked, and in full work, with suitable sheds, barns, and every building and convenience requisite for carrying on an extensive business; also a commodious dwelling-house adjoining, with a garden and piece of meadow land. The premises are copyhold of inheritance, nearly equal to freehold, and most eligibly situate for a supply of bark and hides; distant 6 miles from Gosport, 9 from Portmouth, and 12 from Southampton. For further particulars apply (if by letter, free of postage) to Messrs Johnson and Fox, leather factors, Bermonsey; or Mr Maidman, solicitor, Fareham."

[chafox]

 Family search has the following

Charles Fox of Surrey, died 1823

spouse Frances Rich b 31 jan 1787 Bermomndsey; died 28 Jan 1846
married 1809 to Charles Fox.

terry

[chafox]

A little more information.

The St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey baptism records from Docklands Ancestry has two
baptisms  that fit in with this.

Frances Sarah born 4th July 1810
                      baptism 29th November 1810

to Charles Fox ( tanner) and Fanny Fox

and Thomas, to Charles ( tanner) and Fanny Fox
 born 16 Nov 1811
and bapt 10th Jan 1812 

Terry