hi there Tati yes thats the right one for Helena, her dad was in the marines he joined in 1881 and in 1901 he was a recruiting sargent in Chorley, it looks as though he was doing a 25yr enlistment, i found him in 1914 trying to enlist for war service in Manchester aged 55yrs they signed him up but only for home service until such times as they required a lot more troops quickly but he was also given a warrant at that time that enabled him to sign himself out and this was what he did and he had done 2yrs 242 days, from that point i lost him. at the time war broke out he was a school caretaker living at School House, Cambrian St, Beswick, Manchester. he must have had a screw loose as the rest of the marsden clan where farmers and seemed to doing ok, his father left just short of £2,ooo in 1882. now i would like to find out what his service records say, but you have to go to kew, i have his records for when he rejoined for ww1. thanks for what you have done for me plum.