John Thomas Gramlick - English in Vienna

[polperrobrian]

I came across John Thomas Gramlick and his family in photograph albums belonging to my great uncle. I discovered (I think!) that he was a plumber in Bethnal Green, married had a son and then went to Vienna where he had some success as he returned to England complete with 6 daughters & bought a 'mansion'.

The name appears (senior) as one of the founders of the Vienna Cricket and Football club and Google reports was the instigator of a football competition which evolved into one that is still run.

I have tracked the births of his daughters in Vienna because he registered them with the Consulate. I think his son (same name) returned to Vienna around 1904 or so presumably to continue running the family business. Senior died in 1922 in Melksham (Trowbridge).

Can anyone suggest how I can find out what their occupation was? Or anything else about them in Vienna perhaps? Brian

[Peonie]

Hi Brian and welcome to Rootschat,

John Gramlick had a "Spenglerei" - plumbing business in  Vienna, that's all I could find out. There seem to have been quite a lot of English people in Vienna at that time.

Regards Peonie

[polperrobrian]

Hi Peonie

Thanks for that. More or less what I thought - must have been quite an entrepreneur. From the look of his house and the way he dressed he hadn't been 'on the tools' for a good few years.

A really interestng character!

Best regards

Brian

[pandl]

I know this was posted a couple of years ago, but as a direct descendant of John Gramlick, I was excited to discover your post on this site. If you are active on this site I would love to correspond with you and share information.

[sasanka]

I know this was posted a couple of years ago, but as a direct descendant of John Gramlick, I was excited to discover your post on this site. If you are active on this site I would love to correspond with you and share information.

Hi, I'm from Poland. By chance I found your post. Did you know that "Gramlick" from Vienna installed a water supply system in the Lancut Palace. It would be great to find some more information!!!!
Daniel

[polperrobrian]

Hi Daniel
Interesting about the palace!  I don't know a whole lot more than I have said previously but there is a little plus photographs as well.  If you are really interested - get in touch (*).
Brian

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[MoMoni]

I made a photo of a toilet bowl in the Esterhazy Palace in Eisenstadt (town near Wien). The "brand name" on the bowl is J. Gramlick Wien. I do not know further information (how old the blow is or other things), I just made that photo to remember the name and I thought to look for it in the internet.

[carinthiangirl]

you can ask at historic-registration-records at Vienna city-and state-archive. it´s free! give all dates you have und you will get all details they will find. often you get some news and interesting info. so you must get also info for the son who returned to Vienna. as think you will not be fluent to fill out the online-formular in german you can ask in english about their e-mail-adress. i will give you both links, if you understand german...
i found no Gramlick in present austrian phonebook - only 3 Gramlich - no idea if a name-changing and connection:
http://www.herold.at/en/telefonbuch/gramlich/
http://www.austria-lexikon.at/af/Wissenssammlungen/Wissenschaftler/Gramlich,_Bernhard
http://www.logic.at/staff/gramlich/
http://www.logic.at/staff/gramlich/title.html


Historische Meldeunterlagen (1904-1975) - Auskunft
Historic registration records (1904-1975) - Report (e-mail-adress at "Zuständige Stelle")
http://www.wien.gv.at/amtshelfer/kultur/archiv/forschung/historischemeldeunterlagen.html

Auskunft aus historischen Meldeunterlagen - Antrag (online)
Information for historical reporting documents - application (online)
https://www.wien.gv.at/formularserver2/user/formular.aspx?pid=ee400162c3a64438a6604689dedc3c2f&pn=Bd6f3ce0ea6914ceaa6f2e2749948852e

Der Challenge-Cup wurde von John Gramlick, einem der Gründer des Vienna Cricket& FC, ins Leben gerufen.
The Challenge Cup was launched by Gramlick of John, one of the founders of the Vienna Cricket& FC.
http://www.austriasoccer.at/Menu/andere.html
http://www.austriasoccer.at/data/spiele/1899/18990312wienbohm0.htm
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:L1-JO5RFfCsJ:www.iffhs.de/%3Fac3be8e00390b02fc4f02e9d815285fdcdc3bfcdc0aec70aeedb083cc602+John+Gramlick+Wien&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=at

Als erster „grenzübergreifender“ Wettbewerb für Fußballvereine wurde im Jahre 1897 der Challenge-Cup von John Gramlick senior, einem Mitbegründer des Vienna Cricket and Football-Club, geschaffen.
As the first "cross-border" competition for football clubs in 1897 was created  the Challenge Cup by John Gramlick senior, one of the founders of the Vienna Cricket and Football Club.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitropapokal_%28Fu%C3%9Fball%29
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Cricket_and_Football-Club
http://wikipedia.qwika.com/de2en/Vienna_Cricket_and_Football-Club
http://www.rsssf.com/tableso/oost-habs-challenge.html

[polperrobrian]

Hello

Thank you so much for that information -I will certainly follow up on the links you provided. You are very kind to take the time.

I'm so sorry I can't do you the courtesy of replying in German. I do hope Mr Gramlick took the trouble to learn the language!

Best regards

Brian Shepherd