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help please regarding a militiaman 1874 Carrickfergus "Completed"
« on: Wednesday 09 June 10 15:35 BST (UK) »
hello folks
I have recently got my ggfathers marraige certificate and I have been unable to get real answers from searching myself so................
his age is stated as Full Age ..................what would that be?
his occupation is listed as Militiaman.......what would that be?
his address is listed as Ballymena  and hers is Irish Quarters Carrickfergus..........where would that have been and where is it today?
the church they married in is The Ballycarry Free Church in the Parish of Templecorran...............where would that have been situated and is it still there today?
hope someone out there ca help me!
thank you in advance.
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Re: help please regarding a militiaman 1874 Carrickfergus
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 June 10 16:00 BST (UK) »
Are you sure it is Ballycarry Free Church and not Ballycarry Pres. Church? This might be the church where the marriage took place:
http://www.ballycarrypresbyterian.co.uk/

Irish Quarter West and Irish Quarter South are streets in Carrickfergus (near St. Nicholas' Church) but perhaps the groom's addess refers to some sort of militia headquarters.
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Re: help please regarding a militiaman 1874 Carrickfergus
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 June 10 16:03 BST (UK) »
thank you aghadowey  you are probably right, the writing is bad!
maybe I need to amend my post to make it clear that one address is his and the other is hers!
thanks agai
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Re: help please regarding a militiaman 1874 Carrickfergus
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 10 June 10 17:13 BST (UK) »
Elinga,

Full Age just means "over 21".
[ i.e. an adult, not requiring parental permission.]

Militia were soldiers, the guardians of the peace and (inner) defenders of the realm.
Usually recruited and based locally, on a permanent basis.

If you perform a search in www.nationalarchives.gov.uk with e.g. "antrim militia" or "down militia", you will find plenty to fill your nets.
[Restrict the search to 1860-1880 perhaps, to lessen the load.]

The Militia and Volunteers Muster Books and Paylists 1778-1878 are catalogued under WO 13.

The Antrim regiment records date from 1793.
[So roughly from when the Volunteers were disbanded.]

The Antrim records are contained in WO 13/2574 (1793-1798) through to WO 13/2596 (1872-1876).
N.B. The early ones are very dirty - use a face mask!
Browse the catalogue to see them all.

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There was a garrison in Ballymena town.
[The first to be attacked in the 1798 UI rising.]

As your GGF was on active service in 1874, it is likely that the barracks there is meant as the address.
[If it is a townland, then there are several candidates.
 e.g. there are two Ballymenas in Ballylinny parish.]

Militia men were frequently recruited onward in to the regular army regiments, or else the marines.
Tracing a man's services through those records should indicate where he went.

The regular army regiments would supplement the militia strength, though would typically not spend more than 6 months in any one location.
[The 13th regiment (PALI) came up from Cork through Dublin in the mid-1870s, finally setting up its depot at Belfast.  Men would sign up for the standard 12 years of service.  Six of these would be "at home" (garrison duty) and six "with the colours" (abroad, in the field).  Many Down and Antrim men ended up in Zululand in 1877-1878.  Usuthu!]

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Ballycarry is listed as having a Unitarian church in 1881.
http://www.libraryireland.com/BassettAntrim/Ballycarry.php
Pb-ers adopting Arian doctrines tended to end up there.
Keep it in mind.


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WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

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Re: help please regarding a militiaman 1874 Carrickfergus
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 10 June 10 17:49 BST (UK) »
thanks Capt Jock
very much appreciated.
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Re: help please regarding a militiaman 1874 Carrickfergus "Completed"
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 June 10 15:46 BST (UK) »
Hi again Elinga,

I engaged with the Antrim records as promised.

In the paylists the regiment are defined as a "Disembodied Militia".
This meant that there was only a token permanent staff, with many officers being volunteers.

The men (Privates) only met for a short period (4-6 weeks) of "Annual Training" each year, for which they were paid a guinea.
[Daily accomodation and beer money were supplied as usual.]

So a bit like the Terratorials nowadays.

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The Antrim Militia had its HQ at Belfast.
Colonel was the Earl of Belfast (CHICHESTER).

Travelling costs were paid for attendance.
The starting location is recorded as being from either the soldier's home townland or from his place of enlistment.
[Annoyingly, not distinguished.]

I searched WO 13/2596 and WO 13/2595 for your surname.
Several were found, but sadly no Robert was extant.

Several (William, Samuel, John) were from Ballymena.
John joined the PALI.

This militia had special affiliations with the 83rd Foot & 86th Foot regiments.
Following reorganisiation of the regiments in 1881, it looks like they may have become secondary battalions of these regiments.

Capt. Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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help please regarding a militiaman 1874 Carrickfergus "Completed"
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 23 June 10 11:02 BST (UK) »
thank you very much for your help again Capt Jock!
there is so much to read and digest!
I think there may be more questions coming your way!
regards
Elinga
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Re: help please regarding a militiaman 1874 Carrickfergus "Completed"
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 23 June 10 12:48 BST (UK) »
As before, fire away!

I am an easy target in dry dock now, but about to be condemned - so may be limited in my sojourns/replies for a while ....
[Cue Melita http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Father,_Strong_to_Save !]

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Immediate thoughts:

It looks like it was not compulsory to rejoin for the annual training of a county's Militia each year.
[So need to search earlier years ...]

He might have been part of another Militia.
[Perhaps North Down, perhaps elsewhere - in Ireland or on mainland Britain.]

WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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help please regarding a militiaman 1874 Carrickfergus "Completed"
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 23 June 10 15:37 BST (UK) »
I have no other docs regarding Ireland except their marraige certificate which I mentioned before.
however I have been told by a relative he went to Fife Scotland, to be a Policeman, it can be confirmed that he was in Fife for the birth of of his sons in April 1881, he is then in Scotland ,(Ayrshire) Census 1891, but working as a labourer in a Chemical Factory!.
so they were married in 1874 Carrickfergus , so sometime between that and 1881, I cant find him.
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