Father named on illegitimate child's marriage certificate - COMPLETED Thanks

[LizzieW]

Just found on the normal IGI site, a Clement Tubbs, born in Haddenham in 1862 (which is were Thomas Tubbs was born according to 1851 census) Then I found a birth of another Clement Tubbs in 1788, parents, Clement and Elizabeth Pake. Both lots of information are submitted, but it might suggest that the first Clement  was the father of Clement born 1788 and possibly Thomas also born about 1788, and that the second Clement and his wife were the parents of the two babies called Harley who died in 1812 and1814.

Just used my OH's PC and got back on to FreeREG where I found lots of Tubbs in Haddenham, including a couple of Thomas born in 1790 and 1791.  My Thomas was supposed to be born about 1788 (1851 census and age at death), but was born in 1796 (1841 census), so I suppose his birth is anyone's guess.  One Thomas had parents called Robert and something (I've forgotten and I've turned the PC off), the other had parents called Clement and Elizabeth.  There was also a child called Robert or something Pake Tubbs, parents Clement and Elizabeth, so I guess there was some truth in the submitted entries on IGI.  I'm only really interested to see whether I can work out who Thomas' parents are.

Really am logging off now.
Lizzie

[Geoff-E]

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My Thomas was supposed to be born about 1788 (1851 census and age at death), but was born in 1796 (1841 census), so I suppose his birth is anyone's guess. 

No UK census gives date of birth.  In the 1841 census, ages of people aged 15+ were supposed to be rounded DOWN to the nearest multiple of 5.  A census age of 45 indicates that someone was past their 45th birthday but not yet up to their 50th - this would indicate a birth between June 1791 and June 1796 (but people often got things wrong of course).

[LizzieW]

Thanks Geoff

Looking at the number of times Thomas tried to name a child of his Clement, perhaps that was his father's name.  He also had a couple of daughters who we named Elizabeth.

The only slight problem is that 1851 census states Haddenham, Norfolk, when it is in Cambridgeshire, although only about 40 miles from Holbeach, so I suppose it's possible that the whole family, that is Thomas Tubbs and his father and siblings all moved to Holbeach.  It looks (from FreeReg births) that Thomas' mother died in 1798 and his father re-married and at some stage moved to Holbeach, where he had 3 more daughters by his second wife.

Lizzie

[Geoff-E]

Yes, I'm sure they're all the same family.

Yes, I saw that Clement may have married two Elizabeths ... as he died in 1826, you may care to consider this marriage too

16 Feb 1827
James WILLSWORTH (wid) to Elizabeth TUBBS (wid)

and these burials at Holbeach
4 Nov 1836 Elizabeth WILLSWORTH (57)
14 Dec 1837 James WILLSWORTH (66)

For some reason, the IGI has many batches for Haddenham http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyCambridge.htm#H

Also, check here for some TUBBS baps and burs http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html

[LizzieW]

It might be a step too far to research the husbands of 2nd wives of my ancestors I would imagine that Clement re-married within a couple of months of his first wife's death because he had young children, when his 2nd wife re-married as far as I can see her youngest was aged 10.

Thanks for the Cambridgeshire site.  I now have another county to add to the list of origins of my ancestors.  I already have Norfolk, Suffolk, Lincolnshire, Cheshire, Lancashire, Middlesex, Scotland and now Cambridgeshire.  My husband now says he's married to a mongrel    I say that my family were obviously more ambitious, or travel minded than his who never moved more than about 10 miles from where they were all born.

I never think of using batch numbers, but having clicked on the ones in the link you gave, I found lots more Tubbs dating back as far as 1646.  Whether any of these are linked to my ancestors I don't know, but at least it seems as if the name had existed for many centuries.  I'll have to look up its meaning. 

Lizzie

[Geoff-E]

Perhaps a bit of a surprise to find where TUBBS come from
http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/Map.aspx?name=TUBBS&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name

[LizzieW]

That is only 1881 though, (and 1998 of course) or am I missing something about where the name originally came from?

[Geoff-E]

That is only 1881 though, (and 1998 of course) or am I missing something about where the name originally came from?

It just struck me as a surprising concentration in Dorset.

[LizzieW]

Oh, I thought there was a large concentration in Hampshire.