Now where is that lollie shop?

[rosanne]

Hi,
I am trying to locate an address on 1881 census.

12 Bromells Buildings confectiners Shop.

Census place in Clapham, Surrey, England.

Owned and run by John and Eliza Beckett. Does this place still exist? I'd love to know. I'm in Australia so if you know it try to describe it so I can visualise it.

Anyway just thought I'd ask

Rosanne

[Christopher]

Hello Rosanne,

I'd a look at the online Francis Frith Collection of Clapham but it did not show the lollie shop. I hope someone notices your message and describes the area to you. It would be great if they could also find a picture as it looked when your ancestors lived there. I wonder in which street Bromells Buildings was located. 

Christopher

[millymcb]

Hi Rosanne,

If you look at this website it says that Bromells Buildings was in Bromells Road Clapham. If that is correct    then you are in luck as Bromells Road still exists. 

http://www.muddlefamilies.info/framfield/16jp.htm


I looked it up in the A-Z. It is just near Clapham Common Underground Station (it's not underground at that bit of south London by the way!)

You can see it marked here...

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=SW4%200BG
and
http://www.chapr.co.uk/contact/index.html




If you google search for clapham common and click "images" lots come up which might be of interest..including this one..

http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/lambeth/clapham/mr-akermans-house-1790.htm

info and pix at wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_Common_tube_station


old map

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pw/

old picture


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01px/


st barnabus church

http://www.mick-gray.co.uk/Gray%20story.htm

Holy Trinity Church


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01py/


There's an art gallery on Bromells Road - maybe you could contact them? You never know - they may even be in the old Bromells Building

http://www.claphamartgallery.com/contact.htm


Hope it helps a bit...

Milly
 

[Shirley Sweetland]

Hi Roseanne I have located the Becketts at the shop on the 1881 census. Do you want me to send the record? I also have a book on Clapham with a shop in Bromells Road which I can copy for you.

Regards
Shirley
Perth WA

Regards

[rosanne]

Shirley,

Yes please, I would love the information you have. I have put all family tree stuff on hold for quite a bit as I had a baby and life got busy. Just had a peek at my old posts and see you are in Perth also. I am in Greenwood WA. I will PM you my home number. Thanks.

[finlib10]

Hi Roseanne.  Richard here.  I have an interest too in the Bromells Building and I just saw your post.  My relative, William Ransom was a hairdresser in the Bromell Buildings in 1867.  I'm also from Australia (Brisbane) and this week am in London.  You wouldn't believe this but I was taking photos in Bromells Road yesterday. 

It sounds like your confectionary shop and Williams hairdressing shop may have been next door to each other.  12 and 11 respectively.  William died in 1875, but his wife Ann (previously Hibberd) continued to live in Bromells Road for a short period before moving to a nearby street, 23 Temperley Road, Clapham.

I'm not sure you will get this message given the length of time since you posted.  Certainly hope we can make contact.  I will also go back to Bromells Road before returning home to Australia and if the buiding still stands I will take photos for you.  I can be contact here or on (*)

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[Lotherington]

Hi Roseanne and Richard.
I was looking for Bromwell's Terrace and saw your messages. Bromwell's Road is completely different today from the 1890s not least because it takes a different direction. Bromwell's Buildings (a separate road) no longer exists. Go to free site http://maps.nls.uk and put in Clapham, London. Choose map OS 25inch 1890s-1920s.  Both roads are near The Pavement, Clapham Common. A button allows you to see an annotated aerial view underneath. Very clever.  There are a few images online at Wandsworth Archives of places in Bromwell Buildings. http://boroughphotos.org/wandsworth.
Cheers, Caroline

[finlib10]

Hi Caroline.  Thanks for your post.  Maps are very interesting and I'm sure this dialogue will extend my understanding considerably.  Am just working my way through the maps and other resources you mention.  I haven't had time to explore them in detail yet.  I wanted to get back to you to ask a couple of questions that have occurred to me.  You mentioned that the Bromwell's  Road is different today and goes in a different direction.  Without looking at the new maps in detail, I recall the original road did curve around to the south at the eastern end and joined Clapham High Street .  However during my visit in Oct 16 I thought that at the end of Bromells Road that meets The Pavement remains in the same place as it was originally.  Bromells Road still is there at the Pavement end, However it has been changed and at the other end does not curve around to Clapham High Street anymore.  Is that as you see it? 

The Bromell's Building at Number 10 Bromells Road would be closer to the junction of Bromells Road with The Pavement.  Does that sound correct to you. I could not locate the Bromell's Building while I was in London.  Maybe it has been demolished.  Do you know if that is the case and when it occurred, Caroline?  I was assuming the building was still there but had been modified into new offices.  Perhaps that is not correct?

Cheers
Richard

[Lotherington]

Hi Richard
I tried to attach the map but was unable to do so for some reason (I'm a bit of a novice on Rootschat procedures). As you say Bromells Road starts at the same place on The Pavement but originally curved down to the High Street at the eastern end. Bromell's Buildings (plural) was, despite its name, a road not a building. At the apex of the curve in Bromell's Road Bromell's Buildings sprang in a north-easterly direction. Sadly it no longer exists.