Goldsmith Family Ramsgate Kent

[Wheatman]

Debbie,

My Goldsmith line stems from Sarah Wood and Edward Goldsmith, in particular their son Jarman, born Ramsgate 1787 died 1855
Jarman married Francis Betts Anderton of Dover in St Mary the Virgin Church, Dover on 8th Nov 1811. They had nine children, the ninth,  Jane (1825-1895) married Frederick Button in Ramsgate in Sept 1846. Fred and Jane had seven children, they moved to Lowestoft and spead out from there.
There are a lot of gaps in my info but you can have what I've got if you like.

Edward and Sarah would be my g.g.g.g.grandparents.

[greentrad]

Hi Wheatman,

I've just spotted your message about Edward & Sarah Goldsmith and their son Jarman. I too am descended from Jarman. He had a son Frederick, born 1819 who married Sarah Elizabeth Gurr. Their daughter Sarah Ann Elizabeth Goldsmith was my gg grandmother. Our particular branch of the family stayed in Ramsgate until WW2 but were eventually forced to leave because of the bombing.

If you'd like to know more, just get in touch,

 

[debbie_dw]

Hi Wheatman, I would love any info you have about the Goldsmiths, maybe I can send you anything i have as well. Hope to hear from you.  Not sure how I can send you my personal email address. Cheers Deb

[Wheatman]

To Debbie and Greentrad,

I will use the secure PM system to send you my home e0mail adress and from there hopefully we can exchange notes and data more securely.

Do you have a Family History program and does it accept GEDCOM.

Speak yo soon, indirectly.

Roger 

[roberts-janes]

I live in Melbourne, Australia, and  Maria Ann Goldsmith is my great grandmother...
Maria Ann Goldsmith  was born in Ramsgate, Kent, England and was 24 years old in 1857 when my grandmother Clara Jane GOLDSMITH was born Flemington 1857.  Her age and details on her daughter’s certificate therefore makes her born in 1833 at Ramsgate, Kent, England.
Maria was said on some birth certificates to have a husband -   Jabez Janes who was age 45 yrs and Maria was 34 yrs on the birth of Emily Sarah Janes in 1867.  Making his record as born in Hampshire England in 1822.  NO marriage certificate has been found for Maria & Jabez.  I wonder if Jabez was Jewish and Maria was not and the marriage of the two not recognised.  any help with info would be appreciated, and I in turn can offer what research I have done.  thanks Margot

[Wheatman]

Margot,

Unfortunately, all I know of your side of the Goldsmiths is what I have gleaned from Greentrad in particular, I am currently unable to assist you, but will ferret about and see if I can come up with something.

Regards

Roger

ps its cold, windy and wet here and Melbourne is such a warm and pretty alternative

[Wheatman]

The surname JANES  ;- This interesting and unusual name is of medieval English origin, and is found chiefly in Devon and Cornwall. The derivation is from the Middle English given name "Jan", a variant of John, from the Hebrew, meaning, "the Lord is gracious", or "Grace of the Lord", brought back to England by the Crusaders, where it began to spread in the 12th Century. It's earliest form in Europe was the Latin "Johannes", and was not specialized as a female given name until the 17th Century. In the modern idiom the variants include Jane, Jan, Jain(e), Jean, Jenn(e) and Genn, and the patronymic forms, meaning "son of Jan", Ja(y)nes, Jeynes, Jean(e)s, Jeens and Jenns. An early recording of the name is in Oxfordshire, of John Jane (1548). Among the recordings in Devon are the christenings of Anne Jane on September 6th 1563 at Little Hampston, and of Adrianus Jane on November 24th 1577, at Wolborough and Newton Abbott. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Simon Ians, which was dated 1297, in the "Ministers Accounts of the Earldom of Cornwall", during the reign of King Edward 1, known as "The Hammer of the Scots", 1272 - 1307. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Janes#ixzz1gG4E8o7W

[roberts-janes]

hello Roger,
oh that is very interesting info re the name Janes. thanks a lot or that - I appreciate you looking it up for me.  do you know if Janes or Goldsmith is a Jewish family...?? my father and sister had a big roman nose and we are wondering if it comes from a Jewish line. see attached pic of Leo & George Roberts grandsons of Maria Ann Goldsmith and Jabez Janes.

yes has been sunny in Melbourne and was quite hot last week where I enjoyed some sun in the country with my daughter and grandchildren.. will send you some over if you like..!!
thanks a lot Margot

[Wheatman]

The physical feature is nothing to do with any Middle East connection as far as I know, the name Goldsmith in the UK may come either from the "trade" but more probably from a central european origin, you sure its not the "Fosters"
Yes please, send some warm sun, preferably in soon
Regards

Roger

see http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/GoldsmithGoldsmith
This interesting and unusual surname is of Anglo-Saxon origin, and is from an occupational name for a worker in gold, derived from a compound of the Olde English pre 7th Century "gold", similar to the Old High German "gold", and the Middle English (1200 - 1500) "smith", from the Olde English "smith", a smith, probably a derivative of "smitan", to strike, hammer. To a large extent it is an Anglicized form of the German "Goldschmid(t)". Metal-working was one of the earliest occupations for which specialist skills were required, and its importance ensured that these terms and their cognomens and equivalents were perhaps the most widespread of all occupational surnames in Europe. The surname was first recorded in the mid 13th Century, and early recordings of the surname include: Thomas Goldsmith, witness in the 1255 Assize Rolls of Essex; and John le Goldesmethe in the 1309 "Calendar of Letter Books of Devonshire". Probably the best known namebearer was Oliver Goldsmith (1728 - 1774), the Irish poet, dramatist and novelist, whose works include the novel "The Vicar of Wakefield" (1766), the poem "The Deserted Village" (1770), and the comedy "She Stoops to Conquer" (1773). A Coat of Arms granted to a Goldsmith family in Hampshire is a red shield, a chevron silver three crosses crosslet black on a chief gold, a lion passant red, the Crest being a stork black bezantee. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Roger Goldsmiz, which was dated 1250, in the "Middle English Surnames of Occupation", Norfolk, during the reign of King Henry 111, known as "The Frenchman", 1216 - 1272. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.