Brick wall and I am looking for suggestions

[dltedrick]

Wondering if anyone has any ideas/suggestions of where to go to from here:

My gg-grandfather was born out of wedlock in 1862. On the baptism records it states his mother and the name of his father. I am attempting to trace the line back on the father's side but do not know where to go from here. As mentioned I do know that he is listed as the father. I have checked the 1861 census records for the parish where my gg-grandfather was born, the parish where my ggg-grandmother was working as a servant in 1861 as well as a couple of other nearby parishes that I have found family in and the name of the father does not show up in any of them. I cannot find this guy. I do no know how old he was or anything else about him.

Any suggestions as to what else I might try? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers from Canada.

[BridgetM]

If you order the birth certificate, you might find out the father's occupation, and trace him that way. 

What was the father's name?

[dltedrick]

I have the birth certificate and he is not listed on it which is strange considering he is listed in the baptism records. There is a line through that spot on the certificate. According to the church records he is an engrainer (at least that is what it looks like from deciphering it). It could possibly be an engraver but does not look like it. It is down in the records as my gg-grandfather son of John Marsh and Harriett Hockley Bast Born.

[olleym]

What was your gg grandfather's name & where was he born?

[PaulineJ]

engineer maybe?

[Hackstaple]

An engrainer was  a painter specialising in faux woodgrain on panels and doors. I have seen it done when I was young. A coat of slow-drying varnish is applied and the grainer took an old penny coin in the fold of a lint free rag soaked in turpentine. This was then dragged through the varnish to emulate a particular grain pattern. A cheap door could be make to look like solid mahogany.

[lizdb]

Have you checked the local Record Office to see if there is a bastardy bond? If he was known, and had a good job, there may be something?

[Valda]

Hi

The reason for why the father's name does not appear on illegitimate birth certificates at this time

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm


You wouldn't expect to find a Bastardy bond after 1834

This taken from GENUKI Lincolnshire

'The Poor Law system changed in 1834 when the Poor Law Unions were created. After 1834, bastardy cases were mainly dealt with at Quarter Sessions. After 1839, they were heard in Petty Sessions Courts...
Trying to find details of bastardy cases after 1839 is difficult. Bastardy bonds and other parish bastardy documents ceased to be used after 1834 when the Poor Law Unions were created. From 1834 to 1839 the Workhouse administrators initiated bastardy proceedings through the Petty and Quarter Sessions Courts, and from 1839 all bastardy cases were heard at Petty Sessions, and initiated by the mother, who had to produce corroborative evidence to convict the putative father.'

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/poorbastard.html

Survival rates of petty sessions are very variable.


Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Hi

1861 census RG9 176 folio 76
18 King Street St Ann's Westminster
Joseph Thomas 52 Head Married Bootmaker Wadebridge Cornwall
Mary Thomas 55 Wife Married Gt Dunmow Essex
George Robins Thomas 24 Son Clerk to leather merchant St James London Middlesex
Harriett Hockley 15 Niece House servant L Dunmow Essex
John Marsh 17 Boarder Ornamental Engraver Guildford Surrey
plus 3 other boarders

1871 census RG10 154 folio 30
38 Bolsover Street St Marylebone, London
John T? Marsh 27 Unmarried Lodger Engraver Guildford, Surrey


Regards

Valda