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Jane Cruise/Robert Donaldson
« on: Friday 13 August 10 22:15 BST (UK) »
Hello folks,
I am interested in the marriage in 1827 of Jane Cruise and Robert Donaldson.  The rev. Robt. Longfield is listed as a witness along with William Cruise so probably a Church of Ireland and a Catholic.   I see in one of the messages that the graveyard is mixed. 

Does anyone know if this church was known as a convenient place for mixed marriages?    Anyone know of William Cruise probably father of Jane in Meath or Westmeath?   

New to RootsChat and hoping to find common ground with others.
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millas

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Re: St. Patricks Church Castletown-Kilpatrick.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 14 August 10 06:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Millas,
The Rev Longfield was the Church of Ireland minister as per the inscription at the door. This church was Church of Ireland but the reason that Catholics are buried here is that there was no Catholic graveyard on that side of the parish (I believe).
I see that your marriage is indexed on rootsireland.ie under Castletown-Kilpatrick (RC)!
I presume that Catholics or mixed marriage may have been allowed to take place in a Church of Ireland churches as certainly one generation before we are talking about Catholics were not allowed to openly practice in Ireland, someone please correct me if I am wrong on that.
Gerry
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Re: St. Patricks Church Castletown-Kilpatrick.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 14 August 10 06:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Tazzie,
When looking around I found a reference to the Liscoe family in the parish of Castletown-Kilpatrick in 1802 - I'm not sure if you have seen this before bit may help you link to your London side!
The link is http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlmea2/Church/parish_of_castletown_kilpatrick.htm
All the best
Gerry
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Re: St. Patricks Church Castletown-Kilpatrick.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 14 August 10 09:26 BST (UK) »


  Hi Gerry ......

  Well I am still stalled on them I am afraid.
 5x great grandad Samuel I can account for but cannot track his birth. Was hoping the new acncestry records would show something but no luck there either.

  thanks for the link though will have a google about and see if anything new springs up.

 Tazzie
Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: St. Patricks Church Castletown-Kilpatrick.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 14 August 10 11:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Millas,
The Rev Longfield was the Church of Ireland minister as per the inscription at the door. This church was Church of Ireland but the reason that Catholics are buried here is that there was no Catholic graveyard on that side of the parish (I believe).
I see that your marriage is indexed on rootsireland.ie under Castletown-Kilpatrick (RC)!
I presume that Catholics or mixed marriage may have been allowed to take place in a Church of Ireland churches as certainly one generation before we are talking about Catholics were not allowed to openly practice in Ireland, someone please correct me if I am wrong on that.
Gerry

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Re: St. Patricks Church Castletown-Kilpatrick.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 14 August 10 11:28 BST (UK) »
Gerry, thanks for that.   It's interesting that Rev. Longfield was a witness and not officiating.   Jane Lyons 'From Ireland'  shows meath protestant parishioners including Col Richard Donaldson but no indication if in the same parish as the church.    Don't know how far the church is from Cruisetown either, well not yet - a girl would usually marry in her home parish but it may be the mixed question again!    The church must have looked very fine and new at that time.

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Re: St. Patricks Church Castletown-Kilpatrick.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 14 August 10 12:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Millas,
I believe it would be Cruicetown not Cruisetown, which is only a couple of miles from Castletown.
All the best
Gerry
PS it might be worth starting a new posting rather than using this one
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Re: Jane Cruise/Robert Donaldson
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 14 August 10 12:52 BST (UK) »
Instead of starting a new topic I've split these posts from the other thread and renamed it.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Jane Cruise/Robert Donaldson
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 14 August 10 20:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Gerry,
Now that you have placed Cruicetown for me (the two spellings seem to crop up) I'll enlarge my search.     Jane Donaldson lived at Hartlands near Clonmellon but in 1856 inherited some Cruise money and her address at the time was given as Rathaldron castle, property of Hugh O'Reilly.   

William Cruise, witness at her marriage, may be a relative and not the father of course.   That's the central bit I have not been able to pin down.

Good suggestion to start a new topic, so thanks to you and aghadowey.
All the best, millas