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Eleanor Crowe, Hoylake
« on: Monday 23 August 10 10:04 BST (UK) »
Hello there,

I really hope somebody can help me in the quest to find my Great Grandmother ‘Eleanor Crowe’, we have tried for many many years to trace her but I feel now that we are at a dead end. I’ve written our story below, if anyone can shed any light on this that would be greatly appreciated, especially the reason for the crossing out of the father’s name on both the birth & christening certificates.

Eleanor Crowe, gave birth to my grandmother Marjorie Crowe in January 1905 at 13 Back Sea View, Hoylake, Wirral (at the house of a Minnie Webster).

The baby was supposedly provided with a large sum of money for her education and some expensive baby clothes. The baby was apparently advertised for sale in the Liverpool Echo and possibly also the Chester Chronicle . She was adopted by a couple in Frodsham (called the Carringtons) who unfortunately spent her inheritance money and burnt what we believe were some form of adoption papers. On the 1911 census Marjorie is shown living with the Carringtons and listed as their adopted daughter.

When I ordered the birth certificate (for Marjorie Crowe) from the GRO, it shows the mother as Eleanor Crowe (domestic servant) living at 19 Back Sea View, Hoylake, Wirral and had the father’s name crossed out (Thomas Shields).

A couple of months ago I found out that the baby, Marjorie was christened at the Holy Trinity Church, Hoylake in February 1905. I ordered the christening certificate from Chester Records Office and it is a sheet of paper with a few rows of baby's Christenings on it. Under Parents name, there are 2 columns one for Christian name and one for surname. In the row for Marjorie Crowe, the ‘Christian name’ column says Thomas & Eleanor, but again Thomas is crossed out. In the surname column it says Crowe. So this matches with the birth certificate where Thomas was crossed out. The only difference is that when the entry was made the vicar must have thought he was Thomas Crowe, as only Crowe is stated in the surname column (ie no mention of Shields) plus Marjorie is spelt Margery.

In the 40s or 50s my Grandma (Marjorie Crowe, married name Marjorie Lewis) went with her children to see Minnie Webster (who’s house Eleanor gave birth in) to find out information about her Mother, Eleanor Crowe. We have no idea how she found out about Minnie Webster, all we can presume is that she found out from her adoptive parents.

Minnie told them that all she knew about Eleanor Crowe was that she was a young girl and after the birth planned to go back to the Isle of Man where she was from to live it down! I believe Minnie wouldn't give any more details as she had been sworn to secrecy. I have researched into Isle of Man Eleanor Crowes and there doesn’t seem to be any, so how true Minnie’s information was I don’t know.

Marjorie Crowe as a child did see some form of adoption papers that the Carrington’s had and all she remembers is seeing the words Christ church and sun/sunshine.

Thank you
Lisa

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Re: Eleanor Crowe, Hoylake
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 August 10 11:05 BST (UK) »
Hiya Lisa, and Welcome to Rootschat.....did Eleanor have a middle name ?.
Marjorie was registered in Woodchurch  1905 on www.cheshirebmd.org.uk   this is about 7 miles from Hoylake ..........allan ???
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Re: Eleanor Crowe, Hoylake
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 August 10 11:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Allan,

On both the birth certificate and christening certificate she is simply known as Eleanor Crowe, so I presume that she didn't have a middle name, unless she didn't specify it at the time of registration.

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Re: Eleanor Crowe, Hoylake
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 August 10 11:18 BST (UK) »
Hiya Lisa...on www.freebmd there is only one Thomas Shields born up to 1890in Cheshire   and he is born 1865 in Warrington...there is a Thomas Frederick Shields born in Ashton ...is there a middle name given for Thomas Shields?
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Re: Eleanor Crowe, Hoylake
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 August 10 11:21 BST (UK) »
I'm afraid not Allan, he's also just plain Thomas Shields. I wish they did have middle names, it would make this a lot easier!

Hoylake came under the registration district of Woodchurch so that's why Marjorie is listed under there.

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Re: Eleanor Crowe, Hoylake
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 August 10 11:27 BST (UK) »
So..
By coincidence there is an Eleanor Crowe b 1876 in Ashton as well....so when Minnie says a young girl , could Eleanor have been 29?.....maybe Thomas and Eleanor came together from Ashton ...maybe Thomas was already married , and they ran away together ...all pie in the sky ...but it does seem a little coincidental that there`s a Thomas Frederick Shields ... born Ashton 1878 and very few Eleanor Crowe , one born Ashton 1876....allan ??? ??? ???
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Re: Eleanor Crowe, Hoylake
« Reply #6 on: Monday 23 August 10 11:33 BST (UK) »
That is interesting... If you do a search on either the 1901 or 1911 census though there are an awful lot of Thomas Shields around the North West, so I'm surprised only 1 comes up on the Cheshire BMD. I'd have to check but I think the Eleanor from Ashton never married and died about 1930 from memory.

At least Eleanor Crowe is a fairly rare name!

Its very strange though that Thomas had his name crossed out (presumably after the registrations) on both certificates, he can't have been very happy at being listed as the father.

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Re: Eleanor Crowe, Hoylake
« Reply #7 on: Monday 23 August 10 11:36 BST (UK) »
There`s half a dozen possible Thomas Shields from Liverpool which is only over the Mersey....but Thomas isn`t really who we are looking for...I presume it is Eleanor Crowe we need to find ....allan
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Re: Eleanor Crowe, Hoylake
« Reply #8 on: Monday 23 August 10 11:42 BST (UK) »
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Minnie told them that all she knew about Eleanor Crowe was that she was a young girl and after the birth planned to go back to the Isle of Man where she was from to live it down

The 1891 Isle of Man census has an Eleanor CROWE age 9 father Robert, mother Ann. She is not with her parents in 1901

Andy