Margaret Murphy born 1878

[partydancer]

trying to find any information on Margaret Triggs (nee murphy) She married a Edmund Triggs he was English and in the Army Medical Core.
They both show up on the 1911 census.
Think they were both born around 1878. and according to the census Margaret was born in Cork City.
according to my auntie her father was Joseph Murphy and did some kind of work on Catholic Churches.
There first child i know of was John Joseph born in Tipperary around 1899.
Would love to know where maybe i can find Margarets marriage certificate or anything about her Murphy line.
many thanks
Bev   

[shanew147]

The 1911 census should have an entry stating how many years they were married, which you can use as a guide to search the BMD Index for details of the marriage.

A marriage cert would confirm their father's names which would help in a search for their births..

see : Introduction to Irish Records

for ref : Triggs family on 1911 census   marriage was c1898


Shane

[partydancer]

Hi
thanks for your reply,
I have looked on the family search site, this morning, Edmund/Edmond Triggs does not seem to come up in any results, but several of the children do?
Cannot find a marriage for Margaret Murphy to Edmund Triggs?
not sure what to do now

many thanks
Bev

[shanew147]

I had a look also - no sign of an Edmond/Edmund Triggs marriage that I saw either....

I couldn't find the family on the 1901 census either, could Edmond have been posted somewhere outside Ireland then ?


Shane

[partydancer]

Hi
Dont think he was posted anywhere else, as his first child i know of John Joseph was born 26th august 1898 in Tipperary
and 2nd child Edmond was born in 1901 n cork city and my grandad was also born in cork city in 1903,
and loads of other children after that?

many thanks
Bev

[partydancer]

Hello
think Margarets Murphy father was either John or Joseph or John Joseph Murphy and he was a stone cutter/stone mason and probably worked on Roman Catholic churches.
Dont know if that is any help.
thanks

[shanew147]

Have you checked for Margaret's father on the 1901 census?

If you can find him on that there could be clues in that. The problem with Murphy is that the surname is very common in Cork, making it difficult to find the right BMD records.

Usually the best first step, is to search for the marriage (i.e. of Edmond & Margaret) to establish details of their father's, but it's quite strange that searching for the marriage under Edmond's surname (the less common of the surnames) doesn't show anything on the BMD index. I assumed it was mispelt in someway - but cant see anything even close...could Edmond have used another first name at that time ?

There are baptism records for part of Cork (west county and city) on www.irishgenealogy.ie , but RC baptisms do not usually include father's occupation - so would be difficult to confirm of any of these are related or not.


Shane

[partydancer]

Hi
have been looking through the 1901 census and have found something a bit strange,
found a John Murphy
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Murphy John 56 Male Head of Family Catholic Co Cork Marble Mason Cannot read - Married -
Murphy Ellen 52 Female Wife Catholic Co Cork House Wife Cannot read - Married -
Murphy Margart 21 Female Daughter Catholic Cork City Housekeeper General - Married -
Murphy Christina 18 Female Daughter Catholic Cork City Scholar Scholar - Not Married -
Murphy Willie 16 Male Son Catholic Cork City Carrir - - Not Married -
Murphy Frank 7 Male Grand Son Catholic Cork City Grand Son - - Not Married -
Murphy J Joseph 3 Male Grand Son Catholic Cork City Grand Son - -

the strange thing is, there is Margaret still as a Murphy right age and place of birth i think!

and her possible son John Joseph age 3, i have a birth cert for him but shows him born in tipperary not cork city  and named Triggs

also Margaret later had children called Christina, Ellen and i know that they called there children after
there parents and siblings etc.


so is this Margaret Triggs in 1901,
 the ages add up to the same in the 1911 census, and her fathers occupation is right,is this just all a coincendance, and if not where are they in 1901 an if this is them why is Margaret still callled Murphy and there is no sign of Edmund etc

i have exacty the same problem with my other line they dot show up in the 1901 or the 1891 census.
really frustating,wasnt until the 1911 census came out i knew i wasnt going mad lol

thanks for your help
Bev 

[shanew147]

very interesting ... fits the basic details you have for Margaret and her father, plus his occupation.

Green street is in Cork City and to the south west of the city.

here's a link to the 1901 census return for anyone else investigating this - Murphy Family - Green Street, Cork

If you look at the census form you will see that Margaret is actually listed as married and the surname Murphy has just been ditto'd down the form by the enumerator. So maybe her surname was Triggs at the time.


Shane