Ancestors from Thurnham, between Glasson Dock and Cockerham.

[tortiegirl]

Mmmm-I don't think I can be of much help here as I am trying to stick to Thurnham roots. The boundary for Cockerham goes right down the middle of our lane, so people who lived on the other side of the lane whose cottages are now long gone would be relevant for my research of the area but stating they lived in Cockerham is too vague for me to pinpoint them and the Bank House area is too far away, relatively speaking. Have you looked at the Archdeanery of Richmond Wills 1457-1680 or similar books found via searching on archive.org? Good luck anyway and if I can help any more I will.

[clayton bradley]

Many thanks and you said that the window your friend found had iron stubs, which was interesting because the book on Cockersand Abbey says that stained glass windows normally had lead glazing strips but the wind was so fierce at the Abbey that they used iron for their windows.bye claytonbradley

[PENCAN]

tortiegirl,
 Thank you so much for for the info, sorry you had to go to all that trouble. I will have to look through it properly and digest.

[tortiegirl]

Claytonbradley - you are so right about the wind. I live about half a mile from the Chapter House which is all that is left of the Abbey, and boy, as a passionate gardner- does it blow here! I have the book on the Abbey and it is fascinating and also mentions near the end some names of tenants after the Dissolution that I have recorded. Let me know how your research progresses.

Pencan - no problem and glad you got the three postings of Hogtons and Hoghtons. Love to know what they reveal for you.

[PENCAN]

Hello tortiegirl,
 Sorry for the delay in replying. As I said previously, I hit the 'brick wall' a while ago and had put this part of my family down for a while. Seeing these postings got me interested again and I have been trying to gather and shuffle all the odd pieces of paper etc with anything to do with the name Houghton on, that I'd saved along the way with certs & census, to see if it matches any of your info. I still have lots to see if there's any connection, but I'm slightly confused over the JOSHUA & JENNET HOUGHTON info you have. When I started genealogy, a relative had already started and had Joshuas parents as THOMAS b.1759 & ELIZABETH CLARKSON b. 1763, married in 1782, but it seems they are not the right ones. Then we got stuck, so back to the drawing board!! What we had collected was :-
 
JOSHUA [my g-g-g-grandad] was born 14th sept.1810, Thurnham [christened 7th oct Cockerham]. parents THOMAS & ELIZABETH HOUGHTON
 JOSHUA married JENNET HOLDEN 24th nov. 1834
On 1841C they are living in Scotforth Village and JOSHUA is a Journeyman Stonemason, they have:
                  THOMAS b. 1836
                  BETTY     b. 1837
                  JOSEPH  b. 1840
JENNET died 23rd sept. 1841 aged 28 in Scotforth. On death cert it has, cause of death--Child Bed, wife of Joshua Houghton, Stone Mason.
JOSHUA  then married MARY ARMISTEAD 1st mar. 1846. On m. cert it has JOSHUA, Stonemason, his father, THOMAS HOUGHTON, labourer. They had:-
                   JAMES b. 1846 [my g-g-grandad]
                   JOHN  b.  1850
JOSHUA [stonemason] died 10th apr. 1857 aged 46. living in Henry st, Lancaster.

There is another JOSHUA HOUGHTON born 1807
On the 1851C he is  a farm lab. unmarried [44],  living at Thurnham Moss with his parents JOHN [68] & MARGARET[67] and brother ROBERT [28]  All are born Thurnham.

On 1861C he is a Dock lab. still single, living at Kendall Hill Cottage. MARGARET is the Head/wid, ROBERT is not there, but another brother JAMES [43] is.
On 1871C he is still a dock lab and single. Margaret is 87. JAMES is not there, but a g/son JAMES [14] is
 This has definitely got me interested again!! I have other HOUGHTONS who were in Thurnham at around the same time but so many names, dates etc, not sure what relation they may be. If you would like any more of this info I'll be happy to give.

[PENCAN]

clayton bradley,
 I've come across: ELIZABETH HOUGHTON [not Betty] daughter of THOMAS married W. JOLLEYS son of JAMES, o/n/d 1847 Lancaster. W. Jolleys was born 1823?, christened 1st jan 1824 at Garstang. Parents: JAMES & DOROTHY JOLLEYS. Don't know if you already have this.

[clayton bradley]

Many thanks, Pencan. No, I didn't have the marriage, just an 1851 census entry with William Jolleys living in Ashton with Stodday, wife Elizabeth children, James and Elizabeth. I haven't fitted them into the tree yet. I'm still following William Jolleys m Mary Carter about 1740, bye claytonbradley

[tortiegirl]

Pencan - looks like I have confused the two Joshuas - so sorry. Your info correct - see Houghtons query on British Geneaology Forum too. Where did Joshua b. 1810 marry?

[PENCAN]

Hello tortiegirl,
 Don't talk to me about confusion, I've lost count of the times I've been confused!!That query on the B.G.F was from my relative, and she can tell you a few things about confusion too!!
 The copy of Joshua and Jennets marriage cert. doesn't have the Chruch on it, but perhaps it was in Cockerham the same as where he was Christened. I haven't had a lot of spare time to look at your info properly yet, but so far, the only Houghton that could be in my lot is The JAMES HOUGHTON b. 1817 Thurnham, died 1884 aged 67. He could be my Joshuas brother.  Could you tell me if there are any existing records of b/m/d for Glasson C of E where JAMES is buried? My family are very elusive and there's no sign of any burials in Ellel,Scotforth, Far Moor and just the two in St. Michaels, Cockerham. They must be buried somewhere!!
 The Kendall Hill Cottage that is mentioned about three times in the info you have given me, I have come across it a few times in my research before. You have three Houghtons living there-1784, 1817[my Joshuas brother James?] and 1857. I wonder if the MARGARET HOUGHTON b. 1784 who lived there, could have been a sister of THOMAS HOUGHTON b. around 1788, the possible father of my Joshua? I don't suppose it still exists, but was Kendall Hill just one cottage or a row of them do you know? Thanks.