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Offline Stoppel61

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Nicholas Augustus Mann
« on: Sunday 12 September 10 17:41 BST (UK) »
Exact birth place in Ireland, 1843.? Father William, born 1809, Tewkesbury, Gloucester.

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Re: Nicholas Augustus Mann
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 12 September 10 17:47 BST (UK) »
Since his birth is before the start of full civil registration (1864), you will first need to establish where in Ireland the family lived at the time, as well as the family religion so that you can research parish records (if they have survived)

See : Introduction to Irish Records

Do you know what William's occupation was ?


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Re: Nicholas Augustus Mann
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 12 September 10 17:52 BST (UK) »
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Nicholas Augustus Mann
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 September 10 17:56 BST (UK) »
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/RequestTreeAccess.aspx?tid=154884&pid=-1835730690

Nowhere on the Ancestry records do we see anything other than Irealnd as his place of birth. However, there is a link above which may connect you with someone who haas further informaton.
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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Re: Nicholas Augustus Mann
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 September 10 18:32 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Stoppel61 on Sunday 12 September 10 17:41 BST (UK)
Exact birth place in Ireland, 1843.? Father William, born 1809, Tewkesbury, Gloucester.

William was a Sergant, but I don,t know with which Force, Army or Navy. It was on the marriage certificate as father to Nicholas.(Gloucester records).  Nicholas married Sarah Ann Dart in 1877, he died 1930.

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Re: Nicholas Augustus Mann
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 September 10 19:13 BST (UK) »
Don't think the Navy uses Sergeant as a rank.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Nicholas Augustus Mann
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 September 10 19:37 BST (UK) »
Not sure if this is your man but from Woodard Database in Tewkesbury there is this from Tewkesbury Register Newspaper September 1921:-
Birthday Celebrations - Messrs. Nicholas A Mann Of Tewkesbury And William E Mann Of Rock Ferry, Cheshire, Celebrated Their 79th Birthday.  Both Cabinet Makers. Joined 5th Lancashire Artillery In 1865 Both Ulster Loyalists.  Grandfather Former Nicholas Mann Of Tewkesbury.  Brother, John Collins Mann, Oifficial Gt. Northern And Ireland Railway

and in November 1888:-
Death - 04/11/1888 at Newry in Ireland: Robert Mann, late Sgt. Major of Essex Regiment aged 58.  Eldest son of late Sgt. Major William Mann also ex-56th Regiment.  He was a Crimean War Veteran who had been port of Sebastopol and the Indian Mutiny; he had 6-7 medals;  Nicholas Mann was still in Tewkesbury and had helped found the Volunteers with Captain Moore.  He was the grandson of Nicholas Mann

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Re: Nicholas Augustus Mann
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 September 10 23:21 BST (UK) »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/56th_%28West_Essex%29_Regiment_of_Foot#Peacetime_service

The above link tells us that the 56th regiment of Foot - The Essex Regiment - was posted to Ireland in 1842.  That would be consistent with the birth date in Ireland of 1843.

So, it seems that Rootshacte has once again come up trumps and we know why there was a birth in Ireland, the rank and service of William Mann. What you will not discover unless you can examine the regimental papers is exactly where Nicholas was born. He may have been baptised by the regiment's chaplin.
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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Re: Nicholas Augustus Mann
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 16 September 10 16:52 BST (UK) »
many thanks to Yak3 and Hackstaple! ;D I forgot to mention that Nicholas A Mann was a cabinetmaker, it fits perfectly.
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