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Andrew and Piper Families
« on: Monday 20 September 10 05:03 BST (UK) »
I am searching for the families of John Andrews (b. 1882) and Edith Maude Andrews (nee Piper) (b. abt 1882).

John's father's name was Thomas and Maude's father's name was Alfred.

Thanks  ;D

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Re: Andrew and Piper Families
« Reply #1 on: Monday 20 September 10 05:53 BST (UK) »
Hi JoeM

Who married in Birmingham Sep Qtr 1902.......

Some questions to help us along:

What address did they give?
Who were the marriage witness' ?
What were the father's occupations?
What was John ANDREW's occupation?

(Did Edith tend to use her middle name?)

Cheers  :)
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Re: Andrew and Piper Families
« Reply #2 on: Monday 20 September 10 06:20 BST (UK) »
Here's Edith...

1881: Court 26, Benacre St  - Birmingham St Martin, Warwickshire
RG11 /  Piece: 2981 /  Folio: 27 /  Page: 48
Head: Alfred William PIPER 24, Carpenter, b Bristol Gloucester
Wife: Sarah Ann 21, Machinist, b Birm. Warkwick
Dau: Caroline Celia 4 mths, b Birm. Warwick
Brother: Edwin PIPER 27, unm, Currier, b Bristol Gloucester
Couisn: William NORRISH 32, unm, Labourer General, b Bristol Gloucester

1891: Court 8 Ho, 11 Vere Street - Birmingham St Martin, Warwickshire
RG12 /  Piece: 2380 /  Folio 13 /  Page 19
Head: Alfred W PIPER 34, Railway Carman, b Bristol Gloucester
Wife: Sarah A 31.,
Dau: Caroline C 10.,
Dau: Edith M 9.,
Dau: Minnie 7,
Son: Alfred E 2,
Lodger: Elizabeth MADDOCKS 23, married, Pen Maker, b Stourbridge, Worcester
[All PIPERs born Birmingham except Alfred snr]

1901: 11 Ct 8 Vere St - Birmingham St Martin, Warwickshire
RG13 / Piece: 2834 /  Folio: 138 /  Page: 17
Head: Alfred W PIPER 44, Railway Carter, b Bristol, Glo.
Wife: Sarah A.,  41,
Dau: Caroline C.,  20, unm, Brass Burnisher
Dau: Edith M.,  19, unm, Brass Stamper
Dau: Minnie 17, unm, Brass Turning
Son: Alfred E., 12
Son: William 2., 8
Boarder: Elizabeth J HEAVEN 18, unm, Brass Turning
[All PIPERs born Birmingham, except Alfred snr]

Cheers
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Re: Andrew and Piper Families
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 September 10 02:00 BST (UK) »
Ambly,

Thank you very much for your response!!

The information I have is as follows:
John Andrews b. Oct 4/19882 16 Court Whart Street St. Thomas Birmingham USD
Father: Thomas Andrews (Black Smith)
Mother: Mary Ann Penk (who I can find nothing about)
Birth Registered: Nov. 18 1882 D3336-50 (by William Hill) (Superintendent: Thomas Leopold Bayley)

Marriage Info
Married on: July 6/1902
John 20 (Apprentice Black Smith) and Edith Maud Piper 20 (Polisher)
Both John and Edith both lived at 11 Alma Place Vere Street at the time of the marriage
Marriage took place at St. Martins Church (Birmingham) as St. Lukes was under construction.
Thomas Andrews was a General Dealer at this time.
Ediths Father: Alfred Piper (Driver) (history unknown)
Ediths Father:
Witenesses: William Higgs and Minnie Piper (probably her sister).
Register: Mr. ????? Huntly Neale

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Re: Andrew and Piper Families
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 21 September 10 03:58 BST (UK) »
Hi I believe this is John's father and mother etc:-

Marriage Thomas Andrews to Mary Ann Penk June 1869 Birmingham 6d 113

1871 Census

Thomas Andrews 26 occ Boll ?? b Birmingham
Mary 20 b Wolverhampton
Mary Ann 11 months b Birmingham

Residing at 5, Vine Dwellings Birmingham
Census Ref RG10/3112/14/23

1881 Census

Thomas ANDREW 35 occ Blacksmith b Birmingham
Mary Ann 27 b Wolverhampton
Mary 11
Nancy 5
Harry 4
George 1
Alfred 9 Nephew
 All children born Birmingham
Residing at 4, House 16 Court, Wharf Street Birmingham
Census Ref RG11/2978/99/24

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Re: Andrew and Piper Families
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 21 September 10 04:06 BST (UK) »
Hi again, her comes John!

1891 Census

Thomas Andrews 47 occ Box Maker b Birmingham
Mary A 39 b Wolverhampton
Nancy 15
Harry 13
George 11
John 9
Residing at 3, House 14 Court Rea Street Birmingham
Census Ref RG12/2382/122/42

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Re: Andrew and Piper Families
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 21 September 10 04:40 BST (UK) »
Hi again, Thomas, Mary A  and John disappear on the 1901, unless someone can spot them, as far as the maiden name of Mary Ann ie Penk I think that possibly it will be PINK, as on 1861 RG09/2003/57/37 is a Mary Ann Pink b Wolverhampton Father a Blacksmith!
The only problem is that her yob is at variance with the later census returns, see what you think.

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Re: Andrew and Piper Families
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 September 10 14:42 BST (UK) »
Keyboard86,

I can help with after 1901.

John and Edith moved to Saskatchewan, Canada, with their family in 1906.

John passed away in White Rock, British Columbia, Canada in 1966.

Lillian and Edith married two brothers from Fife, Scotland (in Canada) Lillian (Donald Smart) and Edith (John Smart).

John an Edith's children were:
Edith Minnie b. 1902 Birmingham, Eng. (named after her mother Edith and Edith's sister - Minnie)
Lillian Agnus B. 1903 Birmingham, Eng.
John b. 1905 Birmingham, Eng. (named after his father John)
Violet Mary b. 1909 Canada
Alice b. 1911 Canada
William George b. 1913 Canada
Alfred Thomas b. 1915 Canada (named after Edith's Father - Alfred and Grandfather - Thomas)
Harry Edwin b. 1917 Canada
Francis Caroline b. 1919 Canada
Walter Albert b. 1921 Birmingham, Eng.
Robert Edison B l923 Canada
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