Nora(h) Evans - Death 1871-1880

[sarra]

I would like to find when Nora(h) Evans died.  I presume it was sometime between 1871 & 1880.

She is listed on the 1870 US Federal Census, with her husband Petie (Peter) Evans and her son William Thomas Evans.
They are at - New York Ward 21 District 4, New York, New York.
Nora - born abt.1843 - Ireland.
Petie(Peter) - b.abt.1843 - England. Occupation - Wheelwright.
William T Evans - b.abt,1867 - birth place recorded is Germany - which is incorrect, he was born in Australia.

Nora was deceased by 1880, because I have Peter Evan  (Widowed) and his son William Evans on the 1880 census. They are at  New York City,New York,NewYork. In the same household is Ellen Brooks (Widow), and her children.
Peter Evans and Ellen Mansfield Brooks - were married 1882 Manhattan, New York, New York.

Would appreciate any help in finding when Norah Evans died.

Then perhaps find what happended to Peter Evans and his son William Thomas Evans.

I have tried searching the 1900 census, but have not had any success in finding them. Have also searched on family.search.org and the beta pilot program.
That's where I found the 1882 marriage for Peter Evans and Ellen Mansfield Brooks.

This is my first time searching for records in the US, so I'm a little out of my depth.

History for Peter Evans-
Emmigrated to Australia - 1858.
Married Norah Gainor - 1865 - Australia
Son William Thomas Evans - born - 1867 - Australia.
Family - sailed from Australia - London - 1869.
Arrived America on the City of New York - 5 January 1870.

Many thanks.
Sarra 

[nickgc]

Hi - have you tried to determine if they might have gone back to Australia (or elsewhere out of US)?  I have looked at the 1900 and 1910 censuses (US) for not only Peter, William, and Ellen Evans, but also for Ellen's sons Nicholas and Henry Brooks.  None appear to be there.  There is one Nicholas in 1910 but he states mother born Connecticut, not New York.  Have you checked 1901 and 1911 Canada censuses at automatedgenealogy.com?

Nick 

[sarra]

Hi Nick,
I have checked the Australian Records - thinking that perhaps Peter Evans, decided to return to Australia.
Also checked the United Kingdom census - nothing came up for him or his family.
I'll try your suggestion for the 1901 & 1911 Canada census.

Like you I tried searching for the children of Ellen Mansfield Brooks (Evans), on census after 1880 - nothing coming up for me.

Looking at the 1870 US census - Ellen & George Brooks - are at - Morrisania, Westchester,New York. Ellen's - birth place is recorded as - Ireland,her husband George - as Connecticut.
Could you please give me the details of the 1910 census, where you found Nicholas Brooks.

Appreciate your reply and suggestions  - many thanks.

Sarra

[shellyesq]

There are some marriage and death indexes for New York City at www.italiangen.org.  The details are limited, and having people with such common names might make it difficult to be sure you've found the right person, but maybe you can find some possibilities.

[jorose]

I can see a possible set in 1900 for the Brooks boys on familysearch:
Helen Brooks, 69, b. NY (parents Ireland)
nephew Nicholas (b. Oct 1870), 30, b. NY (parents Ireland & NY)
a few doors down
Henry Brooks (b. July 1867), 33, b. NY (parents Ireland & NY) + wife "Eliza"

Also the marriage of Henry Brooks in 1893 to a Lilly Rudolph which gives his parents as Edward Brooks and Ellen Mansfield.
In 1903 the marriage of Nicholas E. Brooks (parents Edward Brooks and Ellen Manfields) to Minnie Bawden.

It's possible he was Edward George/George Edward or that the boys, having lost their father fairly young, mixed the names up.

[nickgc]

Excellent finds Jorose.  I should always qualify my answers with the fact that except for 1880 my census provider only allows head of household searches.


Oh jeez!  I feel stupid since brother and mother are living with this guy!

Here is the 1910 for Nicholas, and it appears to be the correct man:

1910  >  NEW YORK   >  NEW YORK  >  35-PCT 35-AD BRONX
Series: T624  Roll: 1003  Page: 292      
BROOKS NICHOLAS 39   M   W   NY   Conn   NY    Operator (Telephone)
Minnie  32 m'd 6 yrs 2 kids             NY     England  NY
Nicholas II age 4
Mildred age 1 5/12

Henry brother 41 House painter
Ellen mother 70 Widow 4 kids

Sorry I didn't catch this yesterday.

Nicholas and Minnie in 1905 NY State census.

Also re the 1900 census:  "Helen's" age has an ink blot over last digit in original, but birth appears to be Dec 1839, which would make her 61... the right age to be mother.  I wonder if Nicholas being shown as a nephew is a mistake?  It does show Helen as Single rather than Widow so...Oh, Yeah- her surname would be Evans if it were Ellen.

Nick
 

[sarra]

There are some marriage and death indexes for New York City at www.italiangen.org.  The details are limited, and having people with such common names might make it difficult to be sure you've found the right person, but maybe you can find some possibilities.

I'll give this another try - with the information that, Jorose & Nick have found, gives me names and a timeframe to work with.
Thank you - Sarra

[sarra]

I can see a possible set in 1900 for the Brooks boys on familysearch:
Helen Brooks, 69, b. NY (parents Ireland)
nephew Nicholas (b. Oct 1870), 30, b. NY (parents Ireland & NY)
a few doors down
Henry Brooks (b. July 1867), 33, b. NY (parents Ireland & NY) + wife "Eliza"

Jorose - I can see that 1900 census now. I'm just wondering if perhaps Helen Brooks is actually Ellen Brooks (Evans). The copy of the census I'm looking at says - born 1839 = age 61. I came across this census late yesterday - did not notice Henry and his wife "Eliza" on the same page.

Thank you so much for the other information for Henry's marriage.
I agree with your thinking that the father was probably Edward George Brooks.

It also appears that Nicholas & Henry Brooks (& Ellen), stayed in the USA.

Many thanks for all your help - very much appreciated. 

Sarra

[sarra]

Excellent finds Jorose. 
Oh jeez!  I feel stupid since brother and mother are living with this guy!

Here is the 1910 for Nicholas, and it appears to be the correct man:

1910  >  NEW YORK   >  NEW YORK  >  35-PCT 35-AD BRONX
Series: T624  Roll: 1003  Page: 292      
BROOKS NICHOLAS 39   M   W   NY   Conn   NY    Operator (Telephone)
Minnie  32 m'd 6 yrs 2 kids             NY     England  NY
Nicholas II age 4
Mildred age 1 5/12

Henry brother 41 House painter
Ellen mother 70 Widow 4 kid

Also re the 1900 census:  "Helen's" age has an ink blot over last digit in original, but birth appears to be Dec 1839, which would make her 61... the right age to be mother.  I wonder if Nicholas being shown as a nephew is a mistake?  It does show Helen as Single rather than Widow so...Oh, Yeah- her surname would be Evans if it were Ellen.

Nick - I agree - Excellent finds - by Jorose.
No need to feel silly - you did find it anyway.
They don't make it easy for us researches - like I was searching for Ellen Evans - not Ellen Brooks.
At least I now know that Peter Evans was deceased by 1910, or perhaps 1900, if that Helen Brooks is really Ellen Evans.
As you say Ellen Brooks (1910 Census), had 4 kids. I know she had - Nicholas - Henry & William - with George Brooks. It seems likely she had one with Peter Evans.
Wonder what happended to William Brooks - born abt 1877.
It's a shame that the 1890 Census "were burnt".
Many thanks for your help -don't know where I would be without the help of people on R/C.

Sarra