Hi Tracey - thanks for getting back to me,
It's been bit of a tough ride all round to find this family and any real locked positions.
what we do have fixed is our Gt Grandmother Abgael Bird , bn 1872 in chatteris and married Hiram Wilson abt 1897 - they have 15 ish kids in norfolk and have only found them at the earliest on 1911 census so not sure where they were until then.
Abgael's Parents are William Bird, and Caroline / Lena Loveridge born 1857 in Hemel Hempstead and appear first in 1901
Caroline's parents i have as Thomas Loveridge born 1831 in bedfordhire and Susan Parker bn 1831 in Bucks.
I have very little info for these guys and any further up partially due to no censuses then,and its out of my area, so have tried to make the best of what info i can find , if any certainties come up for or against this pattern i would like to get it right as good as i can - i havent got time to write a pretend story.
What i do also think correct is another daughter of Caroline and William- [ so Abgaels Sister ]
Cinderella Loveridge Bird , born 1892 in Peterborough and married Otey Thorpe in 1908 in Long Sutton, Lincolnshire - Otey being son of Ambrose Thorpe and Leviathan / Elizabeth Draper.
Cinder's has 4 children - Leviathan, Tennis , William and Caroline
hope this makes sense!!
Regards , Dave