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was Frederick Brazier in the US? 1849-51 ish?
« on: Monday 18 October 10 02:02 BST (UK) »
Im searching for my 3 x great grandfather, Frederick Brazier,born birmingham, warwickshire, England 1812.  I can trace him in all censuses in England except 1851... but I have reasons to think he could be abroad… possibly France (or Europewide) Canada or the US

1851 shows his wife, Lydia Brazier (nee Smith) living with her children at 1851 14, Black Horse Yard, Marylebone, Middlesex, England. She is listed there as "Wife" but frederick isnt there...

Frederick is a gun lock maker, part of a BIG family of gun and gun lock makers, from wolverhampton birmingham and london... and the family does have international trade links, and I have seen at least one of them died in france, others are connected with supplying  guns/locks to america, (and also links w the hudson bay company)


Across wolverhampton, numerous branches of the fam all run there own business, as a part i assume of one "family group" if that makes sense... and My theory is that Frederick was either taking locks down to the London branches of the family, ready to be sent abroad, or perhaps was himself going down and then taking the guns/locks abroad, maybe into france? Etc? because Fredericks wife was obviously in London a a few years as two of the children (the middle children) were born in Marylebone in 1849 and 1850 whilst the earlier and later children are born in Wolverhampton…

Anything? Anyone?
Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
Monaghan, Richards, Clark, Clarke,
Brazier, Filben, Fibben,Filbin
Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex

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Re: was Frederick Brazier in the US? 1849-51 ish?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 18 October 10 13:25 BST (UK) »
Hi truebritmega

Think I have found him in Wolverhampton with his father and stepmother.   Having looked at some trees online this seems to be the scenario:

Frederick Brazier bp.8/11/1813 Birmingham, son of Thomas and Mary.

Thomas Brazier married Mary Meeson 5/10/1813 Birmingham.

Appears that at some point they moved to Wolverhampton.   The trees show Mary (nee Meeson) died 1826 but don't state where.

Thomas Brazier remarried to Elizabeth Cartwright 9/7/1828 Wolverhampton and further children born there.

In 1851  Frederick is with Thomas and Elizabeth in Wolverhampton.   His birthplace is incorrectly shown as Wolverhampton - he is a Gun Locksmith and shown as Married.
The ref. is HO107 - 2018 - 407 - 8. 

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Re: was Frederick Brazier in the US? 1849-51 ish?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 18 October 10 16:47 BST (UK) »
ahhh ty Annette, and Jaqui... and yup... that is them, for elizabeth... had a son Alonzo (that census shows him as Monge  lol ... but its got an alteration stating its alonzo, and theres a sarah, who was also a sister to him... thank you:)

And that also now I think... partly supports my theory... that he was taking the gunlocks down to the brazier arms of the family... then coming back to wolverhampton for more?... that all first... ty Ladies :)
Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
Monaghan, Richards, Clark, Clarke,
Brazier, Filben, Fibben,Filbin
Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex