Elizabeth ROWLEY 1868

[barnard-crook]

I am tracing Elizabeth ROWLEY born 02.Feb 1868 in Worfield.  Father was James ROWLEY (born Badger).  Mother was Eliza born Pattingham.  What I want to know is the maiden name of Elizabeth's mother - Eliza.  Her daughter, Elizabeth ROWLEY''S birth was registered in Bridgnorth, March Quarter, Vol 6A, page 586.   I would be most grateful for any help.

[lizdb]

Elizabeth's birth cert will show it.
As you have an exact date for Elizabeth's birth, it looks as though you have, or someone has, seen the birth cert....

[KGarrad]

June quarter, 1867, Bridgnorth

James Rowley
  and
Eliza Pershouse or Mary Gough


Also possibles:

March qtr 1866, West Bromwich
James Rowley
  and
Elizabeth Read or Hannah Thomas

March qtr 1861 Bridgnorth
James Rowley
   and
Eliza Instone

Think you need more details on the parents and/or siblings to establish a possible date of marriage,

[barnard-crook]

I got the date of birth of Elizabeth Rowley, born 1868 Bridgnorth from Family Search.  I don't have the certificate. 

I am actually trying to eliminate this Elizabeth ROWLEY from my search.  This gets more involved unfortunately.  I am trying to trace the parents of my grandmother also Elizabeth ROWLEY.  This Elizabeth  was born on the Isle of Wight (source- Census and family), and also has parents named James and Eliza ROWLEY.  James was born in Bridgnorth and Eliza Monmouth.  I have their marriage certificate - marriage in Bridgnorth in 1867, which in itself poses a question to me.  They appear to have had three children before they married.  Would there have been a reason for this?

Just a thought - even if my grandmother Elizabeth Rowley was born on the Isle of Wight, doesn't mean that her birth may not have been registered in Bridgnorth. 

I am interested in learning of any other way I can tackle this one, as I think I have exhausted my ideas on searching for her birth or christening record.  She is not on Family Search or Ancestry in relation to a birth.  Her marriage record is there though.  She married David Owen CROOK in 1891 in Canton, Wales.

Thanks everyone for your input. 



 

[KGarrad]

Just a few pointers!

1. Never entirely trust Family Search! It is not 100% accurate. So use this data as a pointer, and get corroborated evidence from another source. That means spending money on certificates!!

2. What evidence do you have the James & Eliza, married in Bridgnorth 1867, are the parents of your grandmother? Do you know this for a fact?

3. The Isle of Wight is a heck of a long way from Bridgnorth - especially in the mid 1800's. I don't think it likely that somebody born in IoW would have been baptized in Bridgnorth. I may be wrong, of course.

4. Start from basics. Get the birth certificate of your grandmother (if you don't already have it). That will give you parents names and an address. Use census returns to check the address - that will confirm places of birth.

I have gone down a few wrong paths before, so I am very sceptical these days, for which I apologise!

[lizdb]

No need to apologise - it's good advice


So - you say YOUR Elizabeth was born Isle of Wight source census -  Which census is this, have you got the ref number?

You say that they had children before their marriage - could one of them have been married before? Or maybe they just did it in that order ....   But then, this conclusion is based on the Brignorth marriage isnt it ..... and as has been said are you sure that is the right one?
Though having said that, the family with the Elizabeth bn Worfield, the dad James bn Badger and Mum Eliza bn Pattingham that you are looking at, are on 1871 census, and there is no sign of any older children bron before 1867. Elizabeth age 3 is the oldest.

That is why I would like to look closer at the censuses, if ELiz was bn IOW, where were HER parents born, and older siblings/half/step siblings. Where have you found her on a census with birthplace IOW?


Also, how do you know her mum was Eliza?

[lizdb]

Is this your one in 1901?

RG13 5002 45 37
9 Hannah Street Ystrddyfodwg Glamorgan

David Crook 36 gas worker bn Buckinghamshire
Elizabeth E 35 wife bn Isle of Wight Ryde
Charlotte 8 bn Cardiff
George 6 bn Cardiff
Harold 4 bn Porth
? (dtr) 2 bn Cardiff
James 1    bn Porth

Have you got a birth cert of any of these children to confirm her maiden name as Rowley?

The possible marriage you noted is Oct/nov/Dec 1891 (so after census)
11a 477 Cardiff
David Owen Crook
One of brides on same page Elizabeth Rowley

If you are 100% sure this is the right marriage, have you got the cert?

[lizdb]

Looking good so far!
Working back

1891
RG12 4414 30 24

Elizabeth Rowley 24 bn Isle of Wight, servant amongst a large staff at the "New Inn Hotel" Llanwonno Glamorgan

[lizdb]

10 years earlier

1881
RG11 5282 29 5
5 Oxford terrace Llandaff Glamorgan

Elizabeth Rowley 15 'maid of all work' bn Isle of Wight, in H/H of a widow Elizabeth Whitefield and her sons