Eliza Cooper, double birth?

[esdel]

Elizabeth 'Eliza' Cooper was born 25 APR 1830 in White House Farm, Fawkham, Kent
BUT other sources say
She was born 25 Apr 1830 in Scudders Farm, Fawkham, Kent

Can anyone please verify which - or were there two Eliza born on that day?

Other info:-
She died 23 May 1921 in Green Street Green, Stone, Southcote, Lanes E nd, Darenth, Kent.
She was the daughter of William Cooper (1779-1859) and Amelia Treadwell (1801-1884).
Her siblings were Harriet Treadwell (c1821-1824), George Treadwell (c1823-?), Alfred Treadwell (c1824-1832), John Cooper (c1826-?), Edward Cooper (c1828-?), Ellen Amelia Cooper
(c1832-1924), Henry Cooper (c1834-1904), Elvy Cooper (c1836 -1921), Frederic Cooper (c1839-?).

Elizabeth 'Eliza' Cooper's husband was William Treadwell 1828-1910. They were married 3 Dec 1850 in St. Saviour's Church, Southwark, London.

She was baptized 27 Jun 1830 in St. Mary's Church of England, Fawkham, Kent .

She was listed in a census 1881 in The Streets (Scarbutts Manor House) Boughton Under Blean Kent.

She was listed in a census 1851 in New House Farm, Hartley , Kent, England.

She was listed in a census 1861 in New House Farm, Hartley , Kent, England.

She was buried 29 MAR 1921 in All Saints Church of Englan d Churchyard, Hartley, Kent County, England.

Her occupation was 1851, 1861, 1881  Farmer's wife.

How many Eliza Cooper is this?
many thanks
Esdel

[CaroleW]

She died 23 May 1921 in Green Street Green, Stone, Southcote, Lanes E nd, Darenth, Kent

Submitted IGI entry shows her dead and buried all on the same day 23rd March 1921  which is why we advise people never to trust submitted entries - only extracted records.

The same submitted entry is the one showing her birth as 25th June in Fawkham rather than 25th April and shows her father as William 1ST although it seems to have the right mothers name

This is a reliable entry - it's an extracted record

Eliza Cooper   Christening:  27 JUN 1830   Fawkham, Kent   Father:  William Cooper    Mother:  Amelia 

Looks like whoever has submitted the IGI entry has muddled their months up

In 1841 the family were living in White House (doesn't say farm) which was in Fawkeham but whether she was actually born there is not known.  Perhaps the family were living in Scudders Farm in 1830 and moved to White House before 1841

[casalguidi]

You can view the parish registers of Fawkham and other parishes online http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/

The 1830 baptism entry just says "of Fawkham"

Casalguidi

[esdel]

thanks very much carole and casualguidi

[esdel]

The more you know the less you know!

This Eliza Cooper:-
Might be TWO new Eliza!

One married Albert Birch (Burch) 1870 ish and had
Lilian Sophia 1870,
Tye,
Ernest 1874
and maybe Henry Esdell 1877.

The other married Walter Albert Birch (Burch) Aug 1856 at Croydon and had
Mary A 1855,
Elisa 1857,
Emily 1858,
Walter E 1859,
William 1861,
Charles 1863,
Albert 1865,
Ada F 1872

The 1881 census gives "Living at 3 Elmore Cottage, Chipstead and comparing with 1861 census says Mary A, Elisa, Emily, Walter E, William, Charles, Albert (now age 16) and Tye had flown the nest

1881 census Walter Burch, 3 Elmore Cottage, Chipstead
RG number: RG11      Piece: 800      Folio:  63      Page:  24           
Reg. District: Reigate Sub District: Reigate
Parish: Chipstead

Address: 3, Elmore Cottage, Chipstead Surrey
BURCH, Walter Head Married  age 49 born 1832 Bacton Suffolk Ag Lab
Eliza Wife age 46 born 1835 Chipstead, Surrey Ag Lab Wife
Lilian Sophia Daughter age 11 born 1870 Woodmansterne Surrey
Ada Florence Daughter age 9 born 1872  Chipstead Surrey
Alfred Earnest Son age  6 born 1875 Chipstead Surrey
Henry Esdell Son age  3 born 1878  Chipstead Surrey

All suggestions welcome!

[casalguidi]

Assuming that you are wanting to trace your ancestry back in time .................... can we start with the earliest known person that you have in your tree who is definitely related to you ie. about who you can say this is my great grandma or something?  It's best to do it that way rather than getting side tracked by stuff other people have posted

Casalguidi

[esdel]

Good idea Casalguidi !

This last Eliza Cooper when about 18 did an embroidery sampler that hangs on my wall dated 1848.
On its back my wife's father has listed all 12 children and as many of their descendants that he could remember. This I have backed up from the IGI etc.
Some children call themselves Birch, others Burch.
This is the fault of their father who kept changing his mind as to whether he was Abert, or Walter, or Alfred Walter or Walter Alfred (and whether it was Birch or Burch)
Eliza of the Sampler was born 1835, chr 15 Feb 1835 Chipstead, Surrey and died Nov 1906 in Reigate District.
She married a man calling himself then Walter Alfred Burch at Croydon on 31 Aug 1856
Walter Alfred was born 5 Aug 1832 at Bacton Suffolk

My own researches have added:-
parents of Eliza of the Sampler are
John Cooper + Mary Selsby
Parents of Walter Albert Burch are
Alfred Birch + Mary Ann Quinton

Mary Selsby parents are
Henry Selsby + Hanna
possibly of Epsom, Surrey or some village in Epsom District

John Cooper parents are
Thomas Cooper + Mary Long
of Banstead Surrey, married there 4 Jan 1800
Mary was chr 23 Apr 1780 at Banstead Surrey

Yes, it would be great if we could get back farther
Many thanks

[iforani]

This is a long shot but I am also researching the Cooper family. Eliza Cooper was born in Australia to Thomas & Mary (nee Howlett) Cooper in 1847. All I know about Thomas is that he came from Kent. Does he fit into your family tree anywhere?   

Eliza Cooper married William Smith who maybe related to famous aviator, Charles Kingsford Smith (according to my mother). William Smith may be the son of Richard Sheppard Smith who was the grandfather of Charles Kingsford Smith.

[esdel]

Good to hear from you Iforani.
My Elisa stitched into her sampler that she did it in 1848.
I think she was born 1835 at Chipstead, Surrey, just a few miles from the Surrey/Kent border.
So other relatives of hers may well have gone to Australia.

There is no Howlett in my tree
One Thomas Cooper b 1734 in Suffolk
Another b 1771 at Pennis Farm, Fawkham, Kent married Anne Parker in 1796 at Addington.  He was the son of  Thomas Cooper and Mary Cripps
Another b abt 1775 married Mary Long in 1800 at Banstead, Surrey