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South Wales Borderers
« on: Thursday 04 November 10 11:50 GMT (UK) »
Hello

Does any one know if i can view any of the Borderers WW1 diarys online?

Im looking for information on my Gt Uncle Alfred Clement Price who was killed 15 April 1918.

Thanks

Darren
Bickford - Bilston
Collard - Tredegar Monmouthshire
Eldridge - Pontypool/Baglan
Falvey - Pontypool/ Ireland
Hayes - Cork Ireland
Jones - Pontypool/Llangarren
Lundrigan -Pontypool/ Ireland
Price - Abersychan

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Re: South Wales Borderers
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 04 November 10 11:51 GMT (UK) »
PS, 

I have visited the GWGC and the museum

Cheers Darren
Bickford - Bilston
Collard - Tredegar Monmouthshire
Eldridge - Pontypool/Baglan
Falvey - Pontypool/ Ireland
Hayes - Cork Ireland
Jones - Pontypool/Llangarren
Lundrigan -Pontypool/ Ireland
Price - Abersychan

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Re: South Wales Borderers
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 November 10 20:18 GMT (UK) »
hi darren
the national archives have a download for both the 1st & 2nd battalion diaries each download costs £3.50 , also on ancestry there is a medal card for alfred again local libraries have access to ancestry free 
hope this helps
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Re: South Wales Borderers
« Reply #3 on: Friday 05 November 10 23:47 GMT (UK) »
CWGC records he was with B company of the 6th Battalion SWB when he died - this was a Pioneer Battalion

http://www.1914-1918.net/swb.htm

He almost certainly went initially to France with another Battalion of the SWB though as the entry into theatre on his medal index card is 4th January 1915 - and 6th Bn didn't land in France till 25th September 1915

As he is recorded on the Ploegsteert Memorial rather than buried in a cemetery his body was never recovered

If you can get to Kew the actual medal rolls (that are not online) for the 1914-15 Star and the British and Victory Medals may provide you with his earlier battalion and possibly date of enlistment/transfer

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Re: South Wales Borderers
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 November 10 00:04 GMT (UK) »
National Archives have the War Diary for the 6th Battalion from Sept 1915 till May 1918 - here

http://nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=-2242374&CATLN=7&Highlight=%2C6%2CBORDERERS&accessmethod=0

As it hasn't been digitised yet it isn't available for immediate download - you can order a digital or printed copy but getting a cost for it in advance may be difficult as they appear to have abandoned the "cost estimate" service they used to have

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Re: South Wales Borderers
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 November 10 00:23 GMT (UK) »
I see you have also found the Great War Forum - hopefully someone there with a particular interest in the Regiment will be along soon

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Sue

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Re: South Wales Borderers
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 09 November 10 12:53 GMT (UK) »
Hello Darren,

I see you are looking for information on your Great Uncle Alfred Clement Price who was killed on the 15 April 1918. The name of my grandfathers youngest brother Wilfred Frank Elston of the 6th Battalion South Wales Borderers with no known grave is also on the Ploegsteert Memorial, Panel 5. He died on the 9th april 1918. His age is stated as unknown.

As SueK50 wrote, maybe someone with a particular interest in the Regiment will be along soon.
Hope the following is something you are looking for.

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Re: South Wales Borderers
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 09 November 10 12:59 GMT (UK) »
Source of the following information from:
South Wales Borderers Museum
The Barracks
Brecon
Powys
LD3 7EB

(Page 1)

Extract from the War Diary of 6th Battalion South Wales Borderers 9th to 15th April 1918
REPORT ON OPERATIONS CARRIED OUT BY 6TH BN
SOUTH WALES BORDERERS
(PIONEERS) – BETWEEN 9TH AND 15TH APRIL 1918

On April 9th at 2 pm orders were received to concentrate the Battalion at CANTEEN CAMP with a view to its probable participation in impending operations.

‘A’ Company under Major N G Pearson and ‘C’ Company under Captain J C Owen were accordingly withdrawn from the CATACOMBS and joined Headquarters and ‘D’ company under Captain D Jenkins at CANTEEN CORNER Camp.

At 10 pm orders were received for the Battalion to move forthwith and to take up a position together with the 3 Field Companies RE along the line of the LYS from VANNE to B.18.b.8.0. as a defensive flank.  The Battalion moved at once under Lt Col N T Fitzpatrick and took up the required position.

Patrols were sent out to the river as far SW as PONT DE NIEPPE.  The position was maintained until early on the morning of the 10th.  No enemy were seen.

At 7am on the 10th Lt col Fitzpatrick received orders from 75th Infantry Brigade to assemble the Battalion and 3 Field companies RE at CHAPELLE ROMPUS with a view to counterattacking between LYS FARM and RESERVE AVENUE where the enemy had broken through.  Under heavy shell fire barraging all the roads, the assembly was completed and Col Fitzpatrick with Captain J C Owen and ‘C’ Company pushed forward to view the situation before launching his counter attack.

He reached LYS FARM and found the situation had been restored by troops on the spot and that the main attack was developing rapidly on PLOEGSTEERT VILLAGE.

Meanwhile I remained at LE BIZET with the 2 remaining Companies and the RE Companies.  At 10 am I received orders for Col Fitzpatrick which I accepted and acted on as I was quite out of touch with Col Fitzpatrick and time was short.

The order was from 75th Brigade, ordering the withdrawal of the Battalion and the 3 RE Companies to GRAVIER Area as the enemy was in possession of PLOEGSTEERT and was threatening the ROMARIN Road.

I withdrew the 2 remaining Companies and the RE companies to GRAVIER Area and sent runners to find Col Fitzpatrick and ‘C’ to inform them of the move.

The withdrawal was carried out under heavy artillery fire – the REs suffering many casualties.

I then took up a position in the Army Lines east of ROMARIN with the RE Companies on my right, and reported to 75th Brigade where I saw the Brigadier and explained the situation.


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Re: South Wales Borderers
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 09 November 10 13:00 GMT (UK) »
Source of the following information from:
South Wales Borderers Museum
The Barracks
Brecon
Powys
LD3 7EB

(Page 2)

At this point Col Fitzpatrick rejoined the Battalion.  ‘C’ Company remained somewhere in the neighbourhood of LE BIZET having failed to get my orders of withdrawal.

Brigade ordered the line forward about noon and the 2 Companies and RE Companies moved forward in open order.

No opposition was met and the line finally settled down from REGINA CAMP on the left to B.12.1.88 on the right.

Captain Owen withdrew ‘C’ Company back to the right of the line and continued it to B.12.b central.  The right was in touch with 8th Borders and the left with 2nd S Lancs.  The whole line dug in.

At 4.30 pm orders were issued to Major Pearson by Col Allsop commanding 2/S Lancs, ordering the Battalion to re-capture PLOEGSTEERT Village, working in conjunction with details of REs, Australians and 2 Companies S Lancs – the attack to commence at 5.30 pm.

LE BIZET was meanwhile occupied by the enemy and the attack could be enfiladed by him.

At 5.30 pm following a MG barrage and a short TM barrage on the village the attack went forward in short rushes.  It was immediately met with sweeping MG fire both from PLOEGSTEERT and the neighbourhood of LE BIZET.

Casualties were heavy but the attack pushed forward in a most determined manner to within 200 yards of the village, when owing to enfilade MG fire from the right and intense fire from the village the remnants of the attacking troop were compelled to fall back.

The enemy also put down an artillery barrage on the outskirts of the village during the later stages of the attack.  The report that the village was only lightly held by MGs was entirely disproved as large numbers of enemy infantry were seen and the MG fire was intense.  Moreover the TM barrage preceding the attack was practically useless as only 48 shells were available for the mortars.

Several officers were among the casualties during this attack including Captains Owen and Jenkins (2 Company Commanders).

Lieut E C Amos took over command of ‘C’ Company, Lieut W H Hanna the command of ‘D’ Company.

The enemy kept pushing on and a general withdrawal took place – the Battalion holding a line from REGINA CAMP to DOU DOU FARM held by Major Pearson and ‘A’ Company and a switch running back from DOU DOU FARM South to Army Line held by ‘C’ and ‘D’ Companies under Lieut Amos.  This line was heavily shelled all night and at 9.30 am on the 11th April touch was lost on the left and troops were seen falling back – heavy MG fire opened on our right and immediate front and the Battalion was driven slowly back to the Army Line east of ROMARIN – holding the trench south of the road from B.4.a.9.3.
At this point touch was lost for a while with the Companies and Major Pearson took control of all he could find.
Enemy was seen in LE DON and ROMARIN Camp.  Touch was regained and the line fell back to a line 800 yards west of ROMARIN on the North side of the RUE DE SAC.  At 2 pm orders were issued from 75th Brigade for the Battalion to retake ROMARIN and the Army Line.