Scroggs and Pikeman

[Mestalla]

Hallo, Is Scroggs an Isle of Man name? Because Catharine Pikeman ch.  11/11/1767 in St.,mathews Douglas,   married a Michael Scroggs from Newburn , Northumberland.
My g.g.g.gfather is Alexander Pikeman (b.1771)  who married Clarinda Scroggs  on 9/8/1795 in Tynmouth,  Northumberland. I have never been able to find where Alexander was born, but the only one that fits is in I.o M. one that was born on that date to Alexander Pikeman and Sarah Horsefall, who are the above Catharine's, parents. If so it would be likely that she journeyed to Tynmouth for her brothers wedding and met a 'Scroggs'. Giving me another reason that my Alex was the one from the Island. I hope this does not sound too much of a muddle, thanking you for any comments. Mestalla

[Frances_mnb]

Scroggs - no trace whatsoever on the Island - Pikeman (or similar) is also unique to this family  - alexander (+ cath) are in both fa's and mother's wills - in 1774 (alexander's will alex jnr is under age ie les than 14)
however sarah m wm Cain and in sarah's will of 1797 - petn husb wm cain ship carpenter;3 ch robert, margaret, sarah all ua;wm cain gfa on father's side and cath pikeman aunt overseers

note that if cath were married it would be most unusual for the husband not to be the overseer of the under age children

[Mestalla]

Many thanks  Frances ,  You helped me a couple of years ago when I asked if My Alexander was born on the Island but there was no trace. Since then I have found who he married but that didnt help finding his birthplace, it was a possible theory though..best wishes.Mestalla

[Radcliff]

Hello Mestalla ,
Have you looked in Liverpool,

There is a marriage there for a Catherine  Pickerman ,St Johns Liverpool ,2nd September1804 to a Miche Scroggs ,

it might be worth having a look at,

[Mestalla]

Hallo Radcliffe, many thanks for your tip about Catherine Pikeman, I will see if I can find anything out. Sorry I havent thanked you sooner,but I live now in a Spanish mountain village with only a very fragile wi-fi signal. I have had no internet connection for 48 hours and this is a routine problem.
best wishes....Mestalla

[anne P]

IGI gives the  following information:

Dianah & Mary Scroggs baptised 18 April 1773 at St Nicholas Parish Reg and Nonconf(ormist), Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland.  No birth date given.

Michael Skroggs (sic.) baptised 18 June 1775 Newburn,  Northumberland. No birth date given.

Carlander Scroggs baptised June 1770 South Shields, Durham.  No birth date given.

All are children of Michael Scroggs & Mary.  All are extracted records.

With such unusual names, it is therefore quite likely that Michael & Carlander (Clarinda) Scroggs are brother and sister.

I have not yet looked at the original baptism records, as mention of Michael the father's occupation, or Michael the son's occupation at his marriage in Liverpool in 1804 to Catherine Pikeman, might add weight to the connection, if it were a seafaring one, similar to that of the Pikemans.

Anne

[Mestalla]

Hallo Anne,  how kind of you to go to all that trouble.There is obviously so much confusion in indexing from a written work that Carlander can be easily Clarinda. Like there are many spellings of Pikeman, when you know it is the one you want. I thought South Shields was an area and not a town, which it is ,  and only about 5 miles from Newcastle ,  which was the place of birth given
when Clarinda married. I have only used normal IGI in the past but today I tried the BETA site which is completely different and many 'Scroggs' to choose from. I have a complete printout of the Pikemans (about 1000) but cannot find an appropiate Catherine except the one in Isle of Man,
but she would be about 8 years younger than Michael, which doesnt sound right, but of course
Christening can be way off the birth date. I think my dad was about 9 and was bundled in with some cousins, no doubt to save a bit of cash. I cant see Michel getting married in Liverpool unless Catherine came from there so I expect that will be my next task. Thanks for your help...Mestalla