Mary Downie Raeside, Born About 1911

[carrumba]

Hola guys... here is the second bit of my Stirlingshire research I need help with for my wife's tree.
Mary Downie Raeside was my wife's grandmother though she never met her as she died in 1963. 

Unable to view any documents for her on Scotland People website.  When i checked on her Death Certificate (not viewable) it did, however, in the mothers maiden name column state "Not Permissable".  What is the general cause of that?  Is it simply that the mothers name is not known?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.  She marreid Robert Gordon Baird in 1936.  Oh, and another general query - I see whenever I do a search for their marriage certificate etc (all not viewable.. grrr) it lists her name as Mary Downie Raeside MCL.  Anyone able to let me know what MCL might mean?

So many questions this morning!   

[mosstrooper]

Hola to you too.
                            The only time I have come upon this type of thing was when the person was Adopted
the details are hidden so that nobody can find them, the only person able to view that record in Register House
in Edinburgh is the adopted person, even a Mother can't search the records for her child if he or she was given for
adoption. A lot of broken hearts down that road.

James.

[JustLooking]

Hi Carrumba

The 'not permissable' is because the death is after 1959 and, just as the full cert is not available to view but has to be purchased, so the mother's name is suppressed.

I see that the  MCL is the last part of her forename - the entry reads


     Raeside   Mary Downie MCL

The database on SP only allows a certain number of characters for the forenames and, if they are longer than this, they get truncated.

The MCL is therefore the first few letters of another forename that she had - thus Mary Downie McL.... Raeside

So MCL could be any of the Scottish surnames beginning with those letters - Mclaren, McLeod, McLaughlin, MacLachlan, McLellan, McLelland, etc.

This is most likely after one of her relatives - maybe mother or mother's mother, etc. but not necessarily.

JL

[JustLooking]

Hi Again

I see that her birth entry (1911, St Ninians) is also Mary Downie MCL RAESIDE

So I went on another explore and found this marriage which I would bet a few £s on as being her parents:

1910 St Ninians - John RAESIDE to Margaret MCFARL MCLEOD

So she's most likely  Mary Downie McLeod Raeside


(and you've got a McFarland or something like that back in the next generation     )

JL

[JustLooking]

Hi again

I've seen that you've been on but not sure if you've seen my postings.

I've found this which takes you back yet another generation

Death 5 June 1953 , Stirling

Margaret McFarlane Raeside, widow of John Raeside, gardener, aged 69.

Father - Robert McLeod, farm servant
Mother Mary m.s. Downie

Both desceased

Informant - John Raeside, son


JL

[JustLooking]

This is Margaret McFarlane McLeod in 1891 with her grandfather

Gargunnock, Stirlingshire

Robert Downie, 67, farmer, b. Kilmadock, Perthshire
William, s, 44, b. Stirling
Robert, s, 37, b. St Ninians
Agnes, d-in-l, 23, houskeeper, b. Gargunnock
Robert, grdson,4, b. Airth
Eliza j, grddau,2, b. Gargunnock
Jane A L, grddau, 7 months, b. Gargunnock
Margaret mcFarlane McLeod, grddau, 7, b. St Ninians
John Edgar, serv, 22, farm servant, b. Airth
Catherine Stewart,serv, 17, general servant, b. Fintry


JL

[JustLooking]

And this one in 1881 tells a story

Knock O'Ronald, Gargunnock, Stirlingshire

Robert Downie, 57, farmer of 800 Acres of which 80 acres arable, b. Kilmadock, Perthshire
William, s, 33, b, Stirling
Elisabeth F, dau, 31, b. Stirling
Mary, dau, 29,b. Stirling
Robert, s, 17, b. Stirling
Robert Mcleod, serv, 21, farm servant, b. Bannockburn



JL

[carrumba]

Firstly.... MCL = Mcleod.  DOH!  So obvious!  Hehehe thanks for that and I unnderstand the Not Applicaable now due to the dates.

Wow!  Thanks you for all the hints Just Looking!  And yes... you are right!  That *does* tell a story!  Hehehe... the old servant running off with the farmers daughter story!  My goodness!  My wife is going to love this one!

I had a look at the later Census' and it looks like Robert and Mary are living elsewhere with more children but poor old Margaret McFarlane Mcleod has been left with the grandparents.  Intruiging!  I even Googled Knock o' Ronald farm as it seems quite sizeable and it is still operating today:

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/507178

Well well well.  Dark horses a-plenty!