hi, hillgell, yes i know the buck family, they sold eathenwares and were/ still are hawkers in fact i stayed next to william buck in my trailer. on a travellers site in skipton yorks 2 years ago. bill still hawks carpets, he is a very nice type, we have known his family for genarations. as to the traveller name thing, we we allways known as travellers, but when the new age thing came on the scene, for centurys we had tried to get away from the gypsy name. so we had to tell others that we were not new age travellers, but romany travellers, that go back many hundreads of years, we now dont mind the romany connection, but the older,travellers did the best they could to hide that fact.and would say to the gorgios(non romany) that they were just travelling. it as taken over thirty years for us to be able to use the name romany/gypsy. without some shame about it? a point in case is the amount of people that have contacted me saying that the family had tried to hide all gypsy or traveller conections, one old lady in wales had emigrated to canada to get away from the stigma, and her g.daughter was tring to find her traveller romany roots. sad old world is it not!just recently i was told i would not be served in my local because the landlord had found out i was a romany ! i have lived in a house for twentyfive years but still travel,never been in bother, and you would be amazed at the predudice that still is out there so that one or two of the reasons that the older folk would rather called travellers, but on the other hand a traveller would take real offence at the term gorgio,or flaty if it were used for them.anyway no more history,hope you find your links, and (cushty bok(good luck in romany,by the way if you go to scottish people site, you will find hundreds of stewarts mainly tinkerhawker or or traveller romany folk, ..rob