Edward Jones _ Architect

[nzenigma]

William JONES died 08/01/1832, buried 10/01/1832, infant, parents Edward & Sophia Jones
Harriette JONES died 04/03/1832, buried 07/03/1832, infant, parents Edward & Sophia Jones
Hariette JONES born 17/11/1830 baptized 25/1/1831 dau of Edward Jones and Sophia
William JONES born 22/01/1832 baptized 24/01/1832 son of Edward Jones and Sophia
If the dates of the above William Jones baptism are correct, it appears he was born two weeks after the first William died.

That could work.
The vapours wiped out Harriette and William I

William II , Edward George and Sophia Elizabeth survived.

The context of Edward's will indicates at least three children including one or more females.

Im awaiting reponses from RIBA re John Wallen and Edward's association/timeframe.

Also Denbighshire County archives re  James, solicitor.

Wallen's will also on the long wait list, if for no other reason, that he sounds like an interesting guy.

Gary 

[wilcoxon]

1828-9 Pigot's Directory of North Wales.
Edward Jones, Architect , Queen St.

Previous Wrexham directory is 1818 and he`s not in that.

Another `Jones the architect `linked to John Wallen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Jones_(architect)

[nzenigma]

1828-9 Pigot's Directory of North Wales.
Edward Jones, Architect , Queen St.

Previous Wrexham directory is 1818 and he`s not in that.
Another `Jones the architect `linked to John Wallen

  Thanks Wilcoxon, Edwards son, Edward George b.1828 gives his place of birth as Wrexham ( 1861&71 census). So that remains the reverse starting point.

Im still waiting on RIBA's response.
The other Jones, also articled to John Wallen, is Sir Horace Jones who was involved in the design of the Tower Bridge.

Another lead, thanks for the tip Wilcoxon ;
Unfortunately, John James papers held at Denbighshire County archives are a negative :
The catalogue entry for DD/DM/451/38 describes it as:

"List of legal charges from John James, attorney, of Wrexham to John Wright
of Pant, near Wrexham, in the case of Wright v Cannah, 1839-42."

Gary

[wilcoxon]

Shame that`s a dead end for John James.

I was looking at Palmers Non Com again and spotted on Page 93 that
Henry Jackson excise officer was a subscriber and gave £5 towards cost of the new Chapel that opened in 1841.. ...so Henry was in Wrexham and possibly knew Edward and Sophia before Edwards death.

 I think it may be worth looking closely at the Jones in this book,
 Edward was a trustee in 1834, and it`s possible the earlier Jones were related.

"By March, 1778, only three of the trustees of 1758 were
still alive :—Messrs. Benjamin Jones, Joseph Jones, and Thomas
Jones;
Joseph Jones, linen-draper, aforetime of Wrexham, but then of
the Old Jewry, city of London"

[nzenigma]

Hi All,
Some Wills held by the National Library of Wales give an indication of the wealth of these Jones'.
Unfortunately I cant find much about John Jones the elder except that Anne was his 2nd wife.

In 1820,  Rev. William Browne gave his executor, John Jones, brother of Edward, £50 plus 1/3 of  the residual money arising from his real and personal estates.

In 1827, John Jones, left his estate to his children _ almost £3000. ( depending on the comparative criteria used, this can equate to as much as £8,000,000 today)

In 1829, Sarah Browne, mother of the late Sarah Jones, left about £1000 to her surviving daughter and grandchildren.

Her will is quite informative.

To granddaughter, Ann Jones,  daughter of  late daughter Sarah, £300.
To grandson, William Snelson, son of  late daughter Abigail Snelson, £50.
To grand daughters,  Emily and Sarah Jones, £50 apiece.
To daughter, Caroline Bowker, £300 “ for her own sole and separate use... not to be subject to the debts, control or intermeddling of her husband” ( hmmm, the start of a dangerous precedent here ).

Caroline's £300 to remain in the business while Sarah Browne and son in law William Bowker continue in joint trade, “during our partnership...either between me or my grandson John Jones.

Palmer (1888) notes that William Bowker was in Wrexham for a short time eventually emigrating to North America.
 
Regards Gary.

[wilcoxon]

Would these be the same as already on the IGI ?

Title: Church records, 1705-1837
Authors: Chester Street Presbyterian Chapel (Wrexham, Denbighshire)
Contents: Church records, 1705-1719 -- Baptisms, 1713-1719 -- Births, baptisms and burials, 1743-1837.
RG-4 series nos. 4421, 3446 and 4131.

http://www.londonfhc.org/content/catalogue?p=Wales,Wales,Denbigh,Wrexham&f=1

How do you know Anne was Johns second wife ?
A thought  before 1837 marriage had to take place in Church to be  considered`legal`
As most non-conformists were obliged to marry in the Church of England between 1754 and 1837, it is possible to find records of their marriages in Church of England parish registers
It probable that  John and his father both married in St Giles.

[nzenigma]

Would these be the same as already on the IGI ?

[How do you know Anne was Johns second wife ?

Hi Wilcoxon,
The above is from my own analysis of Wills downloaded from the National Library of Wales. http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=3590

The IGI does not seem to have this as digital data (   short burst of Colonial frustration) or am I missing a link?

 Sorry my bad, the Anne info was from Palmer.
"Mrs. Anne Jones, second wife of Mr. John Jones, carpenter, of the Linen Hall"( Palmer 1888, 137)
Regards Gary

[wilcoxon]

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyDenbigh.htm

Just  choosing `(Chester Street    Presbyterian) from the list  gives you a new page. You can enter a surname in the search box, but if you just click `submit query` you get the whole list of people baptised in alphabetical order`

 It doesn`t have burials, so I was curious where they had been found.
http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/misc_pubs.html

If  it was  from the Cocking Index, then it looks like they are from original records.
I was wondering if they were the same as Title: Church records, 1705-1837
Authors: Chester Street Presbyterian Chapel (Wrexham, Denbighshire.

[wilcoxon]

UPDATE 

Gary and I have been doing a little `digging` behind the scenes.
I found a will,  Anne Jones : will, widow Pentrefelin 
Dated 21 feb 1815 . proved 1826
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/473662

She leaves property in Pentrefelin,  Broughton and Brymbo.

She names =  Youngest son Edward Jones, second son Ellis Jones, eldest son John Jones. Daughter  Elizabeth Fox wife of  John Nesbitt  Fox.

These match the baptisms , but I`d  not come across Ellis Jones anywhere else.. so we were not sure if it was just a coincidence , too many Jones !

Chester St Presbyterian Church. Bapt
John JONES born -/03/1787 bapt 06/05/1787 son of John Jones and Ann,  ELDEST

Ellis John( Jones ) s/o  John Jones / Ann
Born 1 Nov  1791 bapt 20 Dec 1791 SECOND

Edward JONES -  baptised 18/02/1797 son of John Jones and Ann  YOUNGEST

I found the marriage of John Jones the draper  to Sarah Browne and Ellis Jones was a witness.
Marriage by licence at St Giles Parish Church.
John Jones draper & a bachelor and Sarah Browne a spinster both of this parish were married in this by licence this day 22 May 1810.
This marriage was solemnised between =
John Jones, Sarah Browne. Both signed names,
 In the presence of
Abigail Browne. Ellis Jones. Eliza Jones. W Browne. Wm. Browne senr.

So that covered three of the names, but what about Elizabeth Fox and John Nesbitt Fox
With some help I found he was an army officer, possibly  born in Dublin.

In the National Archives I found this.
Will of John Nesbitt Fox, Paymaster in His Majesty's Second West India Regiment of Wrexham , Denbighshire 26 August 1823

Gary has bought the will and it proved without a doubt that Anne Jones of Pentrefelin was the mother of Edward the architect.
He names Eliza / Elizabeth  Fox, his wife, possibly Eliza the witness.
Edward Jones `provident ? row ffinsbury square` Sarah Jones daughter of brother in law John Jones. ( Sarah was the daughter of John and Sarah Browne)  bapt 16 FEB 1816   in Chester St Presbyterian Church.
John Nesbitt Fox has a father still alive and living in Dublin.

So where do we go from here. John Jones and his marriage to Anne.?

The will is a bit hard to understand, the writing is not as good as the Welsh ones