Thomas Thomas - killed in mining accident

[ht515]

Hi

Am researching my husbands family. His Grandfather born in 1883 in Cwmystwyth, worked in the coal mines in South Wales. In the 1911 census he was lodging at 11 Thompson Villas, Ynysybwl. We know he fought in the war and then returned to work as a miner. He died in 1929 we believe in a mining accident. I have sent for several death certificates but can't find the right one as their are several with the name Thomas Thomas. Can anyone help?

Helen

[The Mc]

I can't find him in this list of accidents.....
http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/DisastersList.htm

but this website
http://www.thomaslewisroughcollier.freeservers.com/siblings.htm
mentions a Thomas killed in Waterloo pit in 1929. However I can't find out any further info at the moment.....

[Morganllan]

Hi Helen 

Do you know where he and his wife were buried? What was his wife's name and do you have their marriage certificate? Where and when were his children born? Perhaps a birth certificate may help find a later address (than 1911).

Kind Regards
Morgan

[ht515]

Hi

Many thanks for the replies

Very sorry but Thomas killed in Waterloo pit is not my Thomas Thomas.

He is buried with his wife in Mynydd Bach cemetary, Trisant about a mile from the family home where his wife lived and had their children. He was always a lodger in South Wales.

Helen

[Morganllan]

Hi Helen 

The date of death from the grave should help you to obtain the correct death certificate. Also to look for reports and obituaries in local newspapers (including Trisant), and for any compensation awards.

Kind Regards
Morgan

[ht515]

Hi Morgan


Thankyou for the suggestions, but the headstone only has the year of death on it. Will have to find the time to visit the archives or the National Library I think.


Helen

[Morganllan]

Hi Helen

Wonder whether the South Wales Miners Library, Hendrefoilan, Swansea may be able to help?
They have a lot of useful materials and may be able to advise where you can obtain records of compensation paid to the family.

Also I believe that Glamorgan / West Glamorgan Archives have compensation records for colliery accidents as part of the Coal Board Archive.

According to Hansard, there were 994 men killed in accidents underground during 1929.

Kind Regards
Morgan

[ht515]

Hi Morgan

Many thanks will check these out


Helen

[Cell]

Hi,
I think there is a chance this accident below may-be his. He may have died from the injuries he received from the accident just a few days later, maybe at home/hospital  and not on site at the mine- hence your oral family story of being killed in a  mine accident.

 Do you have your Thomas's  birth cert?

 THOMAS Thomas (injured)  age 43
Date, 03/06/1929  (which would make this Thomas's birth year about  1886 - 3 years out to your given  birth year, but  remembering this is a transcription, and also ages can be recorded incorrectly on mine accident reports, one of mine is)
Occupation -Haulier
Colliery -Lady Windsor ( which is in Ynysbwl)
Owner - Ocean Coal Co Ltd 
County - Glamorgan
 Run over by journey. The above  info can be found here http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/database/result/91778.html

Which  Thomas Thomas death certs  have you got  that weren't him( age, vol/page, quart reg district, or just the  full date of death will do and reg district? )  -  just so  that anyone searching for you in the indexes can rule those out from their search results -  it will narrow the Thomas list down a bit, save time .

Have you got this death? Thomas Thomas  vol 11a page 573, second quart, reg district Pontypridd age 44
It seems to be  the nearest to your given age of  46 ( born 1883)  and in one of the right reg districts for where he was living and apparently died  - this one was  born abt 1885 ( death ages  are only as accurate as the person giving the information -, so can't really be relied on for the person's true age). - The quarter, and near age  also  fits in nicely with the above accident date

I can't seem to  find any others that look as if they maybe him to me  - the 24  others for that year , many of them  their ages are too way out for my liking, and  some of the ones around his age are in the totally  too far off reg districts


Hope that is of some help
Kind regards