Help with death & census info - Alfred Sutherland

[Bumblebeebev24]

Hello,  I am looking for a death date and any other information for Alfred Sutherland, he was born 22 Jun 1871 in 8 Hawthorn Place, Aberdeen Scotland.  Father Daniel Sutherland, mother Sarah McLennan.

Alfred married Isabella Duff (b 10 May 1870 in 246 George Street, Aberdeen Scotland ) 1st Aug 1891 30 Powis Place, Aberdeen Scotland.

They have the following children:
Isabella Sutherland 1891 – 1964    Elspet Morrice Sutherland 1893 – 1984   Grace Sutherland 1895 – 1913   Sarah McLennan Sutherland 1897 – 1998    Alfred Sutherland 1907 – 1976

I have Alfred in the 1891 census at 30 Powis Place, Aberdeen Scotland, Then in 1901, I am unable to find him. He is not with Isabella who is residing at 34 Powis Place, Aberdeen.  So .... on 14 Apr 1900 Alfred Departs Liverpool and arrives in Boston. I have him departing Glasgow to Nova Scotia on the Scilian -in 1907.  He then marries Ida Villenueve on 5 Nov 1908 in Carleton, Ontario! (his parents are listed on the certificate) Then in 1907 he departs Glasgow 18 Jan 1907 and arrives in New York 27 Feb 1911.  I do have a census for 1900, but unable to find anything more on him.  I have tried searching a death for Ida Sutherland, there is one in NY (from memory) for 1981 but's it's the wrong parents.

Can anyone help me please?

Thanks,

Bumbe
 
 
 
 

[shellyesq]

To avoid any potential duplications, the thread about Alfred on the Scotland board is here:  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=513420.new

The 1911 passenger list says he was going to join brother James at 515 4th Ave., Waterbleet, New York.  I think maybe the town is supposed to be Watervliet.  It also says his wife was in Scotland.

[Bumblebeebev24]

Hi Shelley,

Many thanks for your reply.  I have been able to find anything more after this.  The marriage that i have found in Ontario is as follows.  Alfred had two brothers who were also Granite Cutters  overseas, James and Francis.

Name: Alfred Sutherland
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Father Name: Daniel Sutherland
Mother Name: Sarah Maclennan
Spouse Name: Ida Villeneuve
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse Father Name: Henry Villeneuve
Spouse Mother Name: Delphine Ladouceur
Marriage Date: 5 Nov 1908
Marriage Location: Carleton
Marriage County: Carleton
Archives of Ontario Microfilm: MS932_133

Any help would be greatly received.

Many thanks,

Bumble

[shellyesq]

Brother James appears to be in Watervliet, NY for the 1920 Census with his wife & 3 children.

This appears to have the beginning of James' daughter's obituary:  http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-156960122.html

A 1932 Watervliet city directory lists Anna B. Sutherland, widow of James, living at 523 7th Ave.  Daughter Louise and one of the sons is also there.

Maybe if we can find a death/obituary for James, it will give some hint about Alfred?

[shellyesq]

James' wife Anna is in Watervliet in the 1930 Census and is listed as a widow.  So, looks like James died between 1920 & 1930.

[shellyesq]

The 1920 Census has a Francis Sutherland in Watervliet who seems to be the right age to be Alfred's brother.  He appears to be widowed & living with his two daughters.  I can't seem to find him in 1930 at the moment.

[Genealiza]

1910 New York, Albany, Watervliet, Ward 1 (21 April 1910)
page 113  sheet 7B

523 12th Ave
Sutherland, James, 34, immigrated 1888, stone cutter, cemetery
                   Anna, 34, b. NY
                   Bessie, 12
                   Roger, 8
                   Louisa, 1
                   Alfred, brother, 37, single, b. Scot, parents b. Scot,
                           immigrated 1888, stone cutter, cemetery
517/519 12th Ave
Kirkpatrick, Bessie, 53, wd, mother of 6 children, 4 children
                       living, b. Scot, immigrated 1854
                  Lanisal(?) B, son, 21, single, b. NY
                  Leslie A, son, 18, single, b. NY

515 12th Ave
Southerland, Francis, 42, marriage 1, 13 yrs, b. Scot, parents
                          b. Scotland, immigrated 18*8(?), stone cutter, 
                          cemetery
                      Elizabeth, 34, marriage 1, 13 yrs, mother of 4
                          children, 2 children living, b. Denmark, parents
                          b. Denmark, immigrated 1871
                      Elizabeth, 9, b. NY
                      Marian, 6, b. NY
                     

[Genealiza]

1900: New York, Albany, Colonie (8 June 1900)
page 212 (B)
household #110
Sutherland, Francis, b. Jan 1868, 32, married 4 yrs, immig 1887,
                      naturalized, stone cutter
                   Elizabeth, b. Jan 1876, 24, married 4 yrs, mother of
                      1 child, no children living, b. Germany, parents b.
                      Germany, immigrated 1878,

household #112
Sutherland, James, b. May 1870, 30, married, 3 yrs, immig 1891,
                            stone cutter
                   Anna B., wife, b. Feb 1876, 24, married, 3 yrs,
                            mother of 1 child, 1 child living (although the
                            child is not enumerated)
                   Alfred, boarder, b. June 1872, 27, single, immig.
                           1900, stone cutter

[shellyesq]

Perhaps this is Ida's birth:  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bu4/   Maybe she'll show up somewhere as Mary instead of Ida?

Looks like she had some siblings:  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bu5/