Where was Macadams Lane, Milton?

[Forfarian]

For 1841 there are much better transcriptions at FreeCEN https://www.freecen.org.uk/, and on that site you can scroll back and forwards to see the neighbours.

The Dundee one is transcribed as Hean's Lane on both FreeCEN and FindMyPast and almost every address in the entire enumeration district (ED) is in or off Small's Wynd. It's on this map https://maps.nls.uk/view/74478928 - a very long, straight, narrow street, almost in the middle of the map section. Small's Lane and Hean's Lane are side streets off Small's Wynd.

The Glasgow one is the very first entry in its enumeration district, and all the addresses in that ED are in M(a)cAdam's Lane. It's between Garscube Road and Woodside Road - look for it just above the letter Y at the end of the word CITY on this map https://maps.nls.uk/view/74953123

You should look at the original documents at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - it's pay-per-view but modestly priced. You can also save them to attach to your tree.

[StephMarieRoth]

Awesome, Thank you so much. Would you happen to be related to David and James?

[Forfarian]

Not related as far as I know.

[StephMarieRoth]

ok

[Blairvadach]

Good Morning Monica,

Thank you so much for those last two messages.

First of all, thanks to your guidance, I have found where Macadam's Lane was.  Exactly where you said.  It no longer exists, of course, but it does appear on a 1892 map.  Don't ask me to explain how I found that because I cannot tell you as I followed so many links to get there.

Robert Mundell's death cert. of 1915 is not too helpful, as he died of pneumonia, emphysema, and pulmonary embolism, in Weymouth.  He was a Sergeant in B company 14th Royal Scotts Regiment.  So I assume this is a war death.  I don't know how to obtain more details of whether this was a normal illness or a trench related condition.

His marriage cert. states his employment as marine stoker at that time, so he may have been at sea for earlier census's.

My grandmother, Alice, was married and widowed 3 times, poor woman, but although I thought this would complicate tracing her back, she has been remarkably easy!

The death of Mary Currie that you identified opens an avenue I had not thought of.  Many thanks.  Much to think about!  Looking forward to the 1911census.  Do you know when it will be available online?

Regards and thanks again,  Mary

You should try The Great War Forum. You can register free and then ask questions on Robert as you seem to have good information about him.

https://www.greatwarforum.org/

Good luck

[Forfarian]

Robert Mundell's death cert. of 1915 is not too helpful, as he died of pneumonia, emphysema, and pulmonary embolism, in Weymouth.  He was a Sergeant in B company 14th Royal Scotts Regiment.  So I assume this is a war death.  I don't know how to obtain more details of whether this was a normal illness or a trench related condition.

Surprisingly, there is no mention of him at https://www.cwgc.org/ - as he was obviously a serviceman when he died I'd have expected his death to be there even if it was not directly war-related.

[Forfarian]

Replying on thread to an off-line message from Steph, for the avoidance of duplication of effort.

I was looking for birth records and anything else I can find on David and James.

As for birth records, the best you will get are baptism records, because civil registration didn't start until 1855.

You have David in 1841 aged 20, in a household whose head is Catherine, who I assume is his mother. Adults' ages in the 1841 census were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years, so he could have been any age from 20 to 24 and therefore born any time between 1816 and 1821. He wasn't born in Angus. However the two youngest children were: James, 13 and John, 8.

In the church records section of Scotland's People (SP) there are baptisms of James Adam, parents David Adam and Catherine Scoone, on 18 November 1827 and John, parents David Adam and Catherine Scone, on 23 September 1832, both in Dundee, who exactly match the census. There is also a Mary Simmers Adam, baptised 10 May 1830, who presumably died young.

There's a marriage of David Adam to Katherine Skene in Alyth, Perthshire, on 10 December 1815, and baptism of James to David Adam and Catharine Skeen in Dundee on 24 July 1825.

There are burials in the Howff Burial Ground in Dundee of
- John Adam on 23 April 1847, son of David Adam, weaver, Smalls Wynd
- Isabella Adam, 91, born Kinnoull, on 12 April 1850, widow of Adam Caird, Shipmaster, Smalls Lane, Smalls Wynd
- James Adam, aged 4 months, on 26 January 1853, son of James Adam, blacksmith, Smalls Wynd - I do not know if this James is related or not.

However I don't see a burial of either David Adam or of Catherine Scone/Skene or Adam. Check for yourself at http://www.fdca.org.uk/pdf%20files/HowffA01.pdf just in case I missed them.

From the statutory records of deaths on SP, James Adam, mother's maiden name Scone, died in Dundee in 1863 aged 36. Isabella Adam, other surname David, mmn Skene, died in Dundee in 1895 aged 76. Catherine Skene or Adam, 73, died in Dundee in 1860.

In the 1851 census in Dundee are Catherine Adams, aged 64, born Dundee and her son James, 22, also born in Dundee.

Isabell Adam married Peter David in Dundee on 1 September 1841. In the 1871 census Peter David, mason and his wife Isabella, 52, born Auchterarder, Perthshire, are in Dundee with four of their children.

All this is from transcriptions and indexes. The original documents, and more, can be viewed and downloaded at SP - select Search our records > Advanced People Search and then the type of record you want to see.

[Forfarian]

Which David Adam was your 3rd great-grandfather - was it the one married to Catherine Scone/Skene, or was it their son?

In 1851 David Adam, born Auchterarder, Perthshire, flaxdresser, is in Dundee with wife Elizabeth Whamond or Adam, son George and daughter Catherine. They're still there in 1861, listed as Adams, with three more children. I don't see them in 1871 or 1881. Are they yours? Did they emigrate in the 1860s?

[StephMarieRoth]

He married Margaret Douglas. He was born in 1818 in Roxburghshire and died in 1854 in Chester, IL United States. His parents are James Adam(s) 1780-1851 and Catherine Carlew.