William Davies

[Daiwalker]

Hi guys, I'm trying to find a 1871 census record for my 2ND great grandfather William Davies. He was born in 1854 in Llantrisant to Edward Davies and Mary ? (don't know the surname)and was a shoemaker by profession. I have found a 1871 census record for a William David, a shoemaker,who was also born in 1854 - Llantrisant, where he resides with his grandparents Thomas & Catherine David (Thomas is also a shoemaker) in Colwinston in the Vale of Glamorgan(NR Cowbridge).

Do you think it possible that William was sent away to learn the shoemakers trade from his grandfather and the reason his name is David and not Davies is that Thomas & Catherine are Williams mothers parents and not his fathers suggesting that Mary ? is actually Mary David.
 Another bit of information i have found is that Williams brother is called Thomas  Davies(b.1848 in Llantrisant also a shoemaker) and  i have found a 1861 census record where a Thomas David resides with grandparents Thomas & Catherine David indicating that Thomas was also sent away to learn the shoemakers trade.


Any feedback on this subject would be greatly appreciated. Cheers guys.

[CaroleW]

Have you checked the 1861 census to see if there is an entry for a William David b Llantrisant 1854

Does the actual 1871 image say David - ? transcription error?

[Morganllan]

The surname David often changed to Davies and sometimes both were used within the same family     Davies is the patronymic of David and originated from the Welsh "Ap Dafydd", meaning "son of David".

[hanes teulu]

Edward David, Weaver, age 18 (1841 - HO107 1420 7/37 22). The original image = David.

Edward Davies, Weaver, age 29 (1851 - HO107 2456 294 11), age 38 (1861 - RG09 4043 31 7) and 49 (1871 - RG10 5380 69 19). The original image in each case = Davies.

Edward David, Weaver, age 59 (1881 - RG11 5297 68 19) and 68 (1891 - RG12 4417 56 8  The original image in each case = David.

Thomas and Catherine David (1841 - HO107 1423 5/9 11, 1851 - HO107 2461 504 14, 1861 - RG09 4076 58 4 and 1871 - RG10 5418 33 3). Original = David in each instance.

There is another William Davies, born Llantrisant (1861 - RG09 4044 66 1), Gellidraws.

Thomas Davies/David shoemaker is back with Edward in 1881 and 1891 - but of William Davies/David - no trace.

Will be in the archives later this week and see if I can find a link between Edward and Thomas/Catherine ie parents?

regards
PS - somehow a smily crept into the post. I have no idea how it got there and even less idea how to get rid!!

   

 



   

[hanes teulu]

Have been checking PRs.

Parish of Colwinstone - Church of St Michael
MARRIAGES
Thomas David, of this parish and Catherine Llewellin, of this parish, 16 May 1818 (banns read, no witnesses)

BAPTISMS
Ann David         father Thomas, shoemaker     mother, Catherine     bap 18 Nov 1818  addr.  Village
Thomas David      "          "               "                  "                "           bap 14 May 1820                "
Edward David      "          "               "                  "                 "          bap 16 Sep 1821                 "
Catherine David   "          "               "                  "                 "          bap 31 Oct 1824                 "
William David       "          "               "                  "                 "           bap 11 Mar 1827                "
Robert David        "          "               "                  "                 "           bap 19 Apr 1829                 "
John David           "          "               "                  "           Cate           bap 23 Apr 1832     Heol Fawr

Parish of Llantrisant - Church of Saints Illtyd, Gwynno and Dyfodwg
BAPTISMS

Thomas David    father Edward, weaver      mother Mary       bap 28 Nov 1847 Llantrisant Town
Anna David           "            "            "                "         "          bap 30 Mar 1851        "            "
William David        "            "            "                "         "          bap 14 Jan 1855         "            "
Evan David            "            "            "                "         "          bap 30 Oct 1859         "           "
Hannah David       "            "            "                "         "         bap 20 May 1859        "            "

Hope this helps. Insufficient time to check for William Davies in either Colwinstone or Llantrisant

regards

           

   

[hanes teulu]

Meant to add - there was another Edward David, baptised Colwinstone 5 May 1816. Parents were David and Catherine David.

I don't think this can be Edward David, weaver, father of Thomas and William. Edward David, weaver, has birth years of 1823, 1822, 1823, 1822, 1822 and 1823 on Censuses 1841 - 1891.

regards

[Daiwalker]

apologies for not replying sooner. anyway thanks for youre input it is very much appreciated i shall certainly use the information you have sent in further research. thx