Docklands family, liverpool

[sue50]

Searching for a vital piece of family history  !!!   Possibly my great grandad and family. They lived at 119 Athol Street, liverpool which was in the ? St Martins district. The family name was Mackie and included John, Catherine ( his wife ) and John ( 3m old son ). Can anybody help? drawn a blank so far.

[polly88]

Hello Sue - when are you talking about?  I had a quick look in 1911 and the Kennedy family are living there.  Can you give some more information please?

[mosiefish]

It would appear to be the 1891 census:

John Mackie, Head, M, 31, Fireman in Gasworks, Scotland
Catherine, Wife, M, 19, Ireland
John R, Son, 3 months, Liverpool
John Harcus, Boarder, S, 70, Able Seaman, Scotland

Mo
PS a very warm welcome to rootschat sue50

[sue50]

the date was 1891 - i looked at the 1901 census and john was living at 1, steel street with a new wife and children !!! perhaps catherine had died or something more sinister !!!!!    thanks for help

[mosiefish]

OK I have had time to delve  and see the problem now.    

I think you are going to have to send for his birth certificate:
John Robert Mackie, March Quarter 1891 Liverpool volume 8b page 15.

The problem seems to be that father John morphs into James by the 1901 census.  John could have been an enumerator error on the 1891.   Catherine appears to have died in 1898 and "James" marries Annie Fairclough in 1899.  James Mackie then dies in 1902.  There doesn`t appear to be a suitable death in the time frame for a John Mackie.  

Am I on the right lines?

Regards,
Mo
oops I typed all this before I saw your reply

[SusieKelly]

I was about to post the 1901 when i saw your reply's
Is the  a chance Catherine died after the birth of her last daughter Catherine 1897.
The 2nd wife was born St Helens.

[garstonite]

Athol Street is in the Vauxhall area of Liverpool...it is off Vauxhall Road...local pub was The Athol Vaults..I`ve had many a pint in there ...lol
1899   Annie Fairclough married James Mackie at St Aidans church,Kirkdale, Liverpool  2015WD/2/459 
 marriage is on
www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Catherine Mackie jnr is on both freebmd and lancsbmd as born in dec qtr 1896 ...registered in Kirkdale on lancsbmd , so still in Athol st then -presumably
Catherine Mackie snr dies in dec qtr 1898 aged 29 ...(so on the 1891 census , she should read as aged 21/22 ? )
he marries Annie in dec qtr 1899...
James dies in dec qtr 1902 aged 44....so that tells us he was born in 1862...he was 31 in early 1891 census

for the record Sue - I wouldn`t class Athol Street as Liverpool Docklands area ...although not that far away
allan

[Lal]

Interesting - my great great grandfather Patrick Breen was also a fireman (a stoker) in the gas works, and he lived at 171 Athol Street in 1901 (41 Tatlock Street in 1891) - they may have known each other as workmates.

There are extensive papers from the Liverpool United Gas Company at Transco according to the National Archives which I fancy looking at, as they have a pensions book running from 1889 -1946, and it looks like they had a gasworks in the Athol Street area:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=1866-nwlig&cid=-1#-1

[garstonite]

Gasworks was in Blackstone Street if I remember correctly Lal.....allan