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What is a 'gentleman'?
« on: Wednesday 20 April 05 15:34 BST (UK) »
I'm pursuing a John Gould which, alas, is a common name in Warwickshire. Thanks to some Rootschat help (thanks Peter!) I've found the family in the 1851 census for Warwickshire - absolutely has to be the right one.

There, John Gould is described as your everyday ag. lab. However, on the marriage certificate of his son, 1878, he is described as 'gentleman' - which seems a bit of a leap!

I'm considering three options:

Social pretension
Sense of humour
Huge change of fortune, possible a win at lotto.

What is the definition of a gentleman, circa 1878?   
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Re: What is a 'gentleman'?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 April 05 16:25 BST (UK) »
I thought it was a man who could suport him self by own means !!!  :D
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Re: What is a 'gentleman'?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 April 05 17:35 BST (UK) »
I was always told that a gentleman is one who gets out of the shower to urinate. However, I doubt that was a good occupation descrition for your ancestor 8)
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Re: What is a 'gentleman'?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 April 05 17:41 BST (UK) »
 ;D ;D

         Hack welcome back and i see you back on form  ;D ;D
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Re: What is a 'gentleman'?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 20 April 05 20:03 BST (UK) »
"Gentleman" would normally refer to a member of the gentry - i.e. someone descended from an aristocratic family - so maybe he was using a bit of poetic licence!  ;D

I prefer Hack's definition though.

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Re: What is a 'gentleman'?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 April 05 12:15 BST (UK) »
Got a few gentlemen in my family as well.

Found it mentioned on marriage certificates quite abit.

Mine are around the same time frame as well 1860's.

Gee I don't think my hubbie would refer to himself as a gentleman thats for sure.

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Re: What is a 'gentleman'?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 April 05 13:00 BST (UK) »
Hi All

   In the Middle Ages the word 'gentil' meant 'noble', but 'gentleman' came into use in the fifteenth century to signify a condition between baron and yeoman, or sometimes between knight and yeoman, after a statute of  Henry V (his first regnal year) had laid down that in certain legal documents the 'estate, degree or mystery' of the defendent must be stated.
   In 1429 the term les gentils was used in an Act of Parliament, of men having freehold property worth 40 shillings per year or more.    From the sixteenth century onward, the distinction between gentlemen and yeomen lay more in their way of life than in their relative prosperity. A gentleman did not work with his hands, so his household included personal servants; whereas the servants of a yeoman were his assistants on the land and in the dairy. A gentleman's son was often described as a yeoman while he was working his holding, pending inheritance of his father's lands. Members of the professions, i.e. army and naval officers and barristers, were regarded as gentlemen, some of them being entitled to the description 'Esquire'.
    For apprenticing a son to a London citizen a property qualification was required, so many gentlemen's sons entered the more profitable trades of the City. When a man, who during his working life was designated by his occupation (for example, tailor), retired, he would often then describe himself as'Gentleman' as he was no longer gainfully employed.

     I make no claims to be the auther of this piece its taken from a great little book called the Dictionary of Genealogy by Terrick FitzHugh

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Re: What is a 'gentleman'?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 22 April 05 19:34 BST (UK) »
 ;D ;D ;D

I have quite a few 'Gentleman' in my trees too.

I think as Graceland says, it was someone who could support himself and his family by private means.

Nice work if you could get it !!

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Re: What is a 'gentleman'?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 23 April 05 05:21 BST (UK) »
Yes, but how do you move smoothly from ag. lab. to gentleman ???

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