Smyth family tree

[kdoodson]

Is anyone researching the Smyth family.  I have gathered quite a bit of information lately but its difficult to get any further - i'm living in Oz.
I'm looking for Samuel Smyth born coalisland, co tyronne abt 1873 - his wife named susan b abt 1872 loughbrickland, co antrim.  They were married around1894? I think they were church of Ireland or protestant.  And Samuel did belong to the the orange order.

children samuel born abt 1896 Bangor - county Down
             kathleen b    abt 1897  Ireland ?
             Shadrack b   abt 1900   Ireland ?

the family moved to England - they appear on the 1901 census.  Both kathleen and shadrack unfortunately die very young. 

Can anyone give me any help with this....... thankyou  karen

[aghadowey]

Welcome to Rootschat. I've moved your post to Ireland-General board since it seems to involve several counties (Ireland Resources isn't for posting queries).

Unfortunately 1901 is the first complete census for all Ireland but your Smyth family were in England by then (although it might be helpful later when more relatives are found).

Starting with the son 'Shadrack'- the 1901 census lists a Shadrach Smythe age 1 born Ireland in Warrington. However, I haven't been able to find a corresponding birth in Irish civil registration index yet.

The marriage of Samuel and Susan should be in the index which will get you the details needed to order the certificate.

Have to go out now but will do a bit more searching for them later if nothing else has been posted.

[kdoodson]

Thanks for that.... It'll be the first thing I check when I wake in the morning. I can't keep my eyes open. Been sat here for about 3 hours.... great hobby this!

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
    There was a marriage of Samuel Smyth, father John, to Susan McClean, father John Mawhinney McClean, in Felt Street Salvation Army, Shankill Belfast on 1 Jan 1894.
    However I can also find two other marriages of a Samuel Smyth close to that year. One to Susan Harding in 1893 in Trinity Church of Ireland, Shankill and the other in 1891 to Susanna Edgar in Agnes St, Methodist Church, Shankill.

Regards

[aghadowey]

I found 3 possible marriages- (all Co.Antrim)
Samuel Smyth m.1891 Susanna ?
Samuel J. Smyth m.1893 Susan ?
Samuel Smyth m.1894 Susan ?
If the marriage was registered under SMITH there might be more possibilites. However, the problem is that even if you looked up these marriages you wouldn't know which, if any, are the correct couple.
The children's birth certificates will list mother's maiden name- I though Shadrach would be easiest to spot in the civil index but he's not listed with the name Shadrach Smyth/Smith (could have been registered without first name being chosen).

Next problem is Susan's birthplace "Loughborough, Antrim" - is this from a census record? there doesn't seem to be such a townland in Co.Antrim (the only Loughborough in Ireland is in Co. Clare).

Added- see that kingskerswell has found the names of the 3 brides

[aghadowey]

Trying to find any of those 3 couples in 1911 census to rule out the marriages.
Samuel Carson Smyth and wife Susan married 21 yrs (c1890)-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court/Broadbent_Street/135049

[kdoodson]

Right,  new bit of energy....

Susan was born in Loughbrickland, Antrim.

And on the 1911 census the family are still in Warrington.  Minus Kathleen and Shadrach. Both died.  But with two new children.....
the census says the couple were married 17 years...... hence the guess at 1894.  Could be the 1893 one. 

Good idea to find a birth certificate of one of the kids to see the mothers maiden name.

Samuel was married in warrington in the trinity church.  He was born abt 1896 in Bangor, co. down. ....  do you have the ability to find him by any chance.
thanks karen

[kdoodson]

Thanks Kingskerswell, I'm hoping that its one of those marraiges. 

One story I remember when I was little was that samuel and susan had a B&B in Belfast before they left.  Unsure if their is a directory............ they can't of owned it.  Unsure if its even true!

[aghadowey]

Are the two 'new' children born in England? If so birth certificate for either would list mother's maiden name.

Loughbrickland is in Co. Down:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughbrickland

There are directories for Belfast area online but Bed & breakfast is a recent term- probably listed as something like rooming house. However, many people rented out rooms in their houses and might not be listed in directories.
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/street_directories.htm