Bar fight leading to death, London circa 1890s

[hoolianama0508]

Any advice on where to begin a search for a deadly brawl occurring at an Islington Pub at the turn of the century?  Apparently, Albert Nash was hit on the head with a bottle during a bar fight and later died from his injuries.  This is all the information that I have on his life, except that he served in the military. Some family member had his photo in a locket, which she later lost.

I am assuming that he died just 1890 or shortly afterwards.

I figure that since I do not have much details on Albert's life, I could find him through this incident.

[PrueM]

Hi hoolianama

I have had a quick look at deaths on FreeBMD between 1885 and 1900 but can't see a likely candidate for your Albert Nash.
Do you know when he was born/have him on any census returns?

Cheers
Prue

[hoolianama0508]

Unfortunately, I do not have that information. It could be possible that he died just after 1900. Through the efforts of the good people here, I discovered that his daughter listed him on her marriage certificate in 1904. Her name was Louisa Nash Routh (not yet received her birth certificate). Louisa married Edward Cook.

Most of the family were from Islington, so I am assuming again that Albert would be from the same area. 

Thanks for taking a look.

[PrueM]

Ah, OK...I've just read your other thread about the family.

Unfortunately there is no proof that Louisa's father was named Albert...he probably was a Nash, if she was given that as a middle name, but as others said on the other thread, no Albert Nash, engineer, is showing up in the census.

I searched up to 1910 on FreeBMD for the death of an Albert NASH of a suitable age (i.e. over 20) around the right area but came up with nothing.  Searching just for NASH across the whole of England and Wales between 1890 and 1910 gives nearly 5000 results - restricting it to just the Islington reg. district shows a few males around the right age but none called Albert.   

A birth certificate for Louisa would be the only way of determining what her father's name really was, but as she was apparently illegitimate, it will almost certainly only show her mother's name and no father 

I can only suggest that someone might be able to look up local newspapers for you, for articles about a bar brawl leading to a death, but without a date it would be a hard slog.

I can't think of anything else helpful at the moment, sorry...
Cheers
Prue

[JulesSmith]

Time Online doesn't seem to have anything, but I did find a small piece under Recieving Orders' Wed Jan 17 1894. 

not sure if it is of any relevance whatsoever but was your Albert a traveller?  If so, then maybe you can narrow down his death. ?  Just a thought !
 
Nash, Albert, Wood Glen, Newcomen Road, Finchley.  Traveller. 

[louisa maud]

Don't know if this is anything to do with this query but on 1891 I found the following

7 George St Islington
REF rg12/155 folio 13 page 12
John F Akers 26 cab man born Islington
Alice Akers aged 23 mar born Clerkenwell
Louisa aged 4 Islington
Rose M 2 Islington
Alice M 4 Islington

Louisa 's name on the listing has been changed by someone to ROUTH

Louisa Maud

[PrueM]

Link to the other thread about this family:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,488523.0.html

[louisa maud]

Still don't know if I am barking up the wrong tree But here is more info

Baptism of Alice Maud Akers born 26/12/1890
bapt 25/01/1891 at St Jude Grays Inn Road
Father John Mother Alice Charlotte Mary Ann
address 7 George St, this confirms 1891 address of family including Louisa

Also 15/06/June  1888
St Andrew Barnsbury Islington
Alice Charlotte Mary  Ann Routh 18 father James Dec
married
John Akers 23 father James
both of Pultney Terrace (it looks like)
witnesses William Routh and Emily Wheeler

Louisa Maud

Sorry, it looks as if this info has already been on a previous board, ah well !!

[hoolianama0508]

Thanks everyone for your efforts. That is definitely my Alice marrying John Akers. The family tale was that Louisa and her sister fathered by Albert Nash, and the remaining children by John Akers.

I think that the name Albert must be a middle name. I will broaden my search efforts. I think that it is also possible that he was a traveller, perhaps through the military.

I have never come across the name William Routh, but it does give me an idea that it could be an uncle of Alice Routh (her dad being James Routh)

I noticed that a William Routh is listed as a bookbinder in the 1881 census, which is the same occupation as James Routh who is 10 years his senior. Perhaps they were brothers.

In 1881, James Routh was married with his own family at Fifteen Foot Lane. William Routh was listed as living with his parents, James Routh (bookbinder) and Catherine at 15, Muriel Street, Islington.

It does not solve the Albert Nash question, but it is an interesting coincidence.