Author Topic: Roderick Meyler (otherwise Meylor) of Newborough, exciseman -- mid-18th c.  (Read 15079 times)

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I am hoping that somebody familiar with 18th c. people and sources in the Newborough area may have noticed mentions of the above man (and any others bearing his rather unusual surname) in the course of their local researches -- and so be able to tell me of sightings beyond those very few already known to me.

Despite having only a very time-limited opportunity to assist me,  recently someone most kindly hunted for and discovered the following relevant entries in Newborough PR (there may of course be more):

1755  BAPT.  William ye son of Rotherick Meylor,  Exciseman,  & Jonett his wife,  December 17th

1758  BAPT.  Hugh,  son of Rotherick Meylor,  exciseman & Jonet his wife,  June 22nd

1760  BAPT.  Elizabeth,  daughter  [&c as above],  January 31st

1762  BAPT.  Thomas,  son  [&c as above],  August 1st

Aside from the location of other references in general,  I would be particularly grateful if anyone were able to discover when and where Meyler married.  I have found no Anglesey hits whatever in the genealogical databases accessible to me.  Those indicate that the surname,  almost invariably spelt "Meyler",  originates in Pembrokeshire;  virtually all references lead back to that county.

There is some interesting background.  William Meyler (b.1755) went on to become the leading bookseller at Bath in Jane Austen's time.  He ran a circulating library in the town from the 1770s and was the founding editor and later sole proprietor of the Bath Herald.  He was also a minor poet -- an anthology of his work was published in 1806.

"Spenserians",  the excellent online database about UK poets established by the Department of English at Virginia Tech University,  reproduces a detailed memoir of Meyler's life published by his friend Joseph Hunter, which originally appeared in a Sherborne newspaper shortly after Meyler's death:  see this link.  The piece includes a remarkably precise statement that Meyler was a native of Anglesey,  and proud of the fact:

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William Meyler was born at Newburg, in the Isle of Anglesea, December 13, 1755. His family was respectable; and, with the customary genealogical predilections of the Cambrian character, traced their pedigree to a period early in British History. Valiant warriors and enraptured minstrels were among their ancestors; but, as Mr. Meyler himself used to remark, it was the latter alone whose dispositions were hereditary in the family, and to which his own could claim affinity In the island of his birth, the ancient Mona of the Druids, whose dark groves, and immense mounds of earth, remain as relics of their worship, it is probable the mind of the future poet became impressed with the associations of fancy. At length in his 9th year, at which period he was utterly unacquainted with any language except his native Welch, it was thought high time that some attention should be paid to his education. His uncle, the Rev. Thomas Meyler, was at that period the highly respected master of the Free-Grammar school at Marlborough, and thither it was determined he should be sent. Accordingly, mounted on a little Welch poney, and escorted by a relative, he quitted his home, — which he saw but once afterwards.

Yet this uncle was clearly a Pembrokeshire man born and bred,  as confirmed by the record of his matriculation at Oxford (Alum. Oxon.).  So were those ancient Anglesey roots really those of William's mother Jonet?

I would be most appreciative if someone can identify any useful clues about these people.


Rol



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Re: Roderick Meyler (otherwise Meylor) of Newborough, exciseman -- mid-18th c.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 05 June 11 22:06 BST (UK) »
Try and see if Anglesey archives will search the parish records for you they might charge you for this service go to Anglesey county council web site for their web page and phone number
griffiths Anglesey,, thomas Holyhead,,Liverpool

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Re: Roderick Meyler (otherwise Meylor) of Newborough, exciseman -- mid-18th c.
« Reply #2 on: Monday 06 June 11 03:05 BST (UK) »


Thanks for that thought about parish registers, Cae Howell.

As noted in my opening post,  I have been lucky enough to receive some very useful assistance with Newborough PRs already.  (Vital in every sense,  as I live so far away and relatively few PRs seem to have been transcribed and published by the good folk of Anglesey -- let alone digitised.)

The staff at Llangefni Archives have been very helpful to me in dealing with past enquiries,  and I am sure they would always do their best -- but I think that a more general search,  perhaps extending to other parishes on the island,  would be asking them to stretch their resources more than is fair.  Of course,  at present there is also the practical problem of the Archive office's temporary closure for refurbishment.  According to their website,  they re-open on 3 October.

As you say,  one could almost certainly arrange for that sort of wider project to be undertaken on a fee-paying basis.  Indeed,  it is always open to us all to commission professional research.  But for now I think that I shall see what I can do by keeping a-hold of the paddle and trying to move the canoe along myself -- with,  of course (as the old song goes), "a little help from my friends"! ;)

What I am really hoping is that some local or family historian who has spent a lot of time in past years looking at local records for the purposes of their own research may just happen to recall spotting the name somewhere,  on the "it stuck out like a sore thumb" principle.

One should add that,  as an offset to the dearth of published PRs,  there is the great boon of the Gwynedd FHS's superb work on the MI records -- these days more endangered.  So if anybody can spot a Meyler or two there,  that would be fantastic . . .


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Re: Roderick Meyler (otherwise Meylor) of Newborough, exciseman -- mid-18th c.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 07 June 11 22:58 BST (UK) »


With ref. to this edited passage from my original post:
... a detailed memoir of Meyler's life published by his friend Joseph Hunter ... includes a remarkably precise statement that Meyler was a native of Anglesey,  and proud of the fact:

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William Meyler was born at Newburg, in the Isle of Anglesea, December 13, 1755. His family was respectable; and, with the customary genealogical predilections of the Cambrian character, traced their pedigree to a period early in British History. ... His uncle, the Rev. Thomas Meyler, was at that period the highly respected master of the Free-Grammar school at Marlborough ...

Yet this uncle was clearly a Pembrokeshire man born and bred,  as confirmed by the record of his matriculation at Oxford (Alum. Oxon.).  So were those ancient Anglesey roots really those of William's mother Jonet?
. . . my research has uncovered some additional information about Jonet's family,  and her father's occupation may just provide a useful pointer to their hypothetical Anglesey origins.

As the Spenserians site shows,  one of Meyler's poems was a kind of idyll set in the Vale of Clwyd ("Cluyd");  and a will in the NLW's probate database demonstrates that his mother was born Jonet Jones,  the daughter of the testator -- Hugh Jones of Pool Park in the parish of Llanfwrog near Ruthin (ob. 1778):  see http://hdl.handle.net/10107/228974  This man was employed by Lord Bagot as land agent for the Bachymbyd estate (a property inherited by the Bagots in the late 17th c. from the Salesbury family of that place).  The key link is the naming in the will of Jonet's husband as "Rhoderick Meyler";  but the terms make it clear that Hugh Jones thought very little of the merits of his son-in-law.  He left Jonet a £7 10s p.a. life annuity for her own separate use and free from the control of any husband,  and added for good measure that if she:
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shall at any time or times hereafter live reside or Cohabit with her said Husband Rhoderick Meyler Then in such Case I Do hereby Annul and make Void [the said annuity; and] from the time of such her living Residing [etc ... she] shall be Debarred and Excluded from the payment thereof and of every part thereof.

Despite this obvious antipathy,  he went on to leave legacies to his grandchildren Hugh, William, John, Elizabeth and Margaret Meyler -- and,  indeed,  made Hugh Meyler his sole executor and residuary legatee.  (As will be observed,  that list makes it plain that the baptisms at Newborough shown in my first post are by no means the whole story.)

As to the Meyler paternal descent,  the PCC will of the Revd. Thomas Meyler of Marlborough (above-mentioned uncle of William Meyler of Bath),  proved in 1786,  firms up Roderick's already likely connection with Pembrokeshire:  very fortunately it includes token bequests to the testator's siblings,  and mentions a brother Roderick then living.  Elizabeth,  widowed mother of the siblings,  also mentions her sons Thomas and Roderick in her will (dated the very day the American colonists declared their independence!),  proved St David's 1777:  http://hdl.handle.net/10107/1010748 -- the full list of her children being William (eldest son), Thomas, Peter, Roderick, Ann, Martha, Grace and Mary,  i.e. the very same names,  in the same order,  as appear in Thomas Meyler's PCC will proved 1786.

The hypothesis of a maternal Anglesey descent for William Meyler might suggest that Hugh Jones could previously have been the agent for some estate in the neighbourhood of Newborough.  One or two Google hits (incl. some citing Griffith's PACF) indicate that there was indeed an 18th c. land agent at Baron Hill called Hugh Jones,  which briefly raised my hopes.  But that man seems to have gone off to live in/near Beaumaris,  and his known dates &c seem to make it unlikely that he can have been the person who ended up at Pool Park in Denbighshire.  I would obviously be very interested to hear if anyone can spot other plausible candidates.

Evidence from a few dips into the Bachymbyd rentals at the NLW show that in 1762 Hugh Jones had already arrived at Pool Park,  but up to (at least) 1754 one John Owens had the agency job.  Jonet's marriage was presumably before her eldest known child's baptism in 1755;  so the Bachymbyd evidence is not in any way inconsistent with the possibility that the Jones family were living in Anglesey up to the 1750s -- thereby creating the opportunity for a daughter of the house to be wooed by the local exciseman.  Without some such theory,  it is not at all easy to work out how Pembs. boy met Denbighs. girl,  and the memoir's talk about an ancient Anglesey pedigree would probably have to be dismissed as mere fantasy.  But I am really indulging in little more than guesswork.  Can someone do better?


Rol


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Re: Roderick Meyler (otherwise Meylor) of Newborough, exciseman -- mid-18th c.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 July 11 18:54 BST (UK) »
Hi, Just a thought. There were Meylir's at Haverfordwest 1600. Joan daughter of Robert Meylir married Robert Holland, Rector of Prendergast. Robert Holland being of family of Hollands of Conway. Could be a connection of sorts to your Roderick?  Or perhaps another bit of useless info.
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Re: Roderick Meyler (otherwise Meylor) of Newborough, exciseman -- mid-18th c.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 03 July 11 20:11 BST (UK) »


Hi,  Syljun -- and many thanks for posting that idea.  I think it is very likely that you are right to say that  the name Meyler (although it looks superficially a bit Teutonic) must be a variant of the Welsh Meilir.  When I looked at Pembrokeshire RO's name indexes it was very apparent that it had a very old-established presence in the county,  including quite a number round Haverfordwest.  But I am less sure that the fact that one of the Hollands of Conway happened to get himself a church benefice down south temp. QE I (and then married locally) could have a bearing on one of the Pembs. Meylers getting a posting up north with the Excise Service -- especially all those years later.  Though perhaps I have partly misunderstood the point you are making.

Any sightings of Roderick elsewhere -- most likely in Pembs. -- could prove useful.  And it would be great to be able to have a look at his service record in the Excise records at TNA;  trouble is I very rarely get an opportunity to visit Kew (last did just before starting to pursue Roderick). :(   I am assuming that his job was what took him to Anglesey,  rather than him applying when already living on the island for unrelated reasons -- but that is just more speculation on my part.  I am still very puzzled about how he ever came to meet his wife;  if we could only track down their date and place of marriage,  that might answer quite a few subsidiary questions.


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Re: Roderick Meyler (otherwise Meylor) of Newborough, exciseman -- mid-18th c.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 19 February 12 09:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Please could you let me know what an excise man does. In addition, what was Hugh's role at Pool park

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Re: Roderick Meyler (otherwise Meylor) of Newborough, exciseman -- mid-18th c.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 19 February 12 10:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Found out that Thomas Meyler's father was William Meyler (married to Elizabeth) and he was from St Davids.

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Re: Roderick Meyler (otherwise Meylor) of Newborough, exciseman -- mid-18th c.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 12 January 14 03:55 GMT (UK) »
Dear all,

This is very interesting. William Meyler is my wife's great (x4) grandfather. I read the Spenserian article with fascination. Right towards the end however it says,"Mr. Meyler was twice married his second wife has survived him, who, with two sons, and two daughters, derive every alleviation of their grief from the universal respect which is paid to his memory."

I wasn't aware of these marriages. I know he married Alice Hyatt. But I don't have any reference to the first wife (?). Reason I ask is that a William Meyler was deported to New South Wales, being convicted in Somerset Assizes. He was from Bristol:

 William Meyler, one of 156 convicts transported on the Neptune, 18.03.1820. Convicted at Somerset Assizes for a term of 7 years on 27.03.1819. Arrived in Sydney, NSW 18.11.1820.

MEYLER, William. Per "Neptune", 1820
 1823 Jun 21-1825 Jul 30 - Horseman. On lists of men belonging to the Government Stock Establishment at Bathurst (Reel 6031; 4/7029A pp.22-282)
 1823 Jul 24  Sent to Wellington Valley with stock; appears as James (Reel 6031; 4/7029A pp.31-2)
 1823 Oct 25  Listed in an extract from the Mess Book of persons victualled in the Stock Department, Bathurst, from 28 Jun to 3 Oct 1823 (Reel 6017; 4/5783 p.460)
 1823 Dec 29  On list furnished by John Maxwell of men victualled in the Stock Establishment, Bathurst, between 28 Jun and 3 Oct 1823 (Reel 6017; 4/5783 p.496.

I know he got his certificate of freedom but don't know if he is related to Wlliam Meyler the poet.

Be keen to know if anyone knows more or if this is just coincidence.

Regards

Gordon